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More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
Villian is a bad and loose player. The min-raise is his only source of aggression, otherwise he's a passive calling station. Here are our last two encounters (Villian is CO in the first hand, and BU on the second):
================================================== PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) converter MP ($433.55) CO ($433.60) Button ($444.40) SB ($236.60) Hero ($473.75) UTG ($188) Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $12</font><font color="blue"> (Villian is min-raising a min-raise preflop)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $10, Hero calls $8, MP calls $4. Flop: ($48) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, MP folds, CO calls $30, SB calls $30. Turn: ($138) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $140</font>, CO calls $140, SB folds. River: ($418) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $252</font>, CO calls $251.60 (All-In). Final Pot: $921.60 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has 4s 6s (flush, ace high). CO has Kd Js (two pair, kings and jacks). Outcome: Hero wins $921.59. </font> ================================================== PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) converter Button ($791.65) SB ($680.85) BB ($165.95) UTG ($400.40) Hero ($386.60) CO ($429) Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $28</font><font color="blue"> (another min raise) </font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $12. Flop: ($64) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. Turn: ($64) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. River: ($64) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, Button calls $30. Final Pot: $124 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and sevens). Button has As Qc (one pair, sevens). Outcome: Hero wins $124. </font> ================================================== PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) converter Button ($940.65) SB ($558.85) BB ($172.85) Hero ($447.60) MP ($436.40) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP calls $16, Button calls $16, SB calls $14, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($68) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $42</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $72</font>, SB folds, Hero ??? What should be our plan vs a raise that could mean anything? From the JJ hand, I assumed he would respect my bets but against this player, I wasn't sure what he was thinking. Would your plan change holding AA or KK? |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
well he reraised with AQ so we know that he'll reraise. i think you can rule out AA or KK in his hand. The question becomes does he have a set or a draw.....if he's a calling station I really can't see him raising a draw here. I'd put him on a set or two pair...is he a big enough donkey to raise with A7 here?
Absent reads, I think i'd call and lead a non-diamond turn, if he raises that i'm done. |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
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well he reraised with AQ so we know that he'll reraise.i think you can rule out AA or KK in his hand. [/ QUOTE ] At the time I was about 75% certain you are right. His preflop actions are baffling though.. so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. [ QUOTE ] is he a big enough donkey to raise with A7 here? [/ QUOTE ] Who knows. [ QUOTE ] Absent reads, I think i'd call and lead a non-diamond turn, if he raises that i'm done. [/ QUOTE ] What reads do you have? You're working with all the information I had. I like your line a lot.. but with the pot at 210 on the turn, is there possibly a safe turn bet? Bet 70, fold to a min raise? How do you like checking? |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
ugh this hand is just so ugly i'm not sure. I would probably lead about 70 because if i'm ahead I don't want him drawing for free and if I'm behind I don't want to commit any more to this pot. I'm really thinking this might not be a draw though because in hand 1 he had a draw to the second nuts there and he never raised that or anything. If he does have a draw its a really big one, SF variety. I think the best card you could see on the turn other than a queen of course is a 2...76 is a real possibility for him. I really hate these spots.
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
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I really hate these spots. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. The more I think about it the more I don't mind checking as I don't see myself facing huge bets on the turn and river, because he's passive. Then again, a 70$ lead probably wont get raised by a worse hand, but I think i'd be more comfortable check/calling 80 then betting 70 and folding to a raise. Maybe I'll give him a free card in exchange for some pot control. The line I took was probably the worst of all [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
what did you push and get called by a set?
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
Hand 1: this looks like a fold preflop, rest looks great. NH.
Hand 2: I'm probably betting this turn after the flop weakness. River value bet looks fine. Hand 3: Button looks like an agressive draw (i'm assuming this is not the loose passive guy from hand 1 and 2). Simply calling down looks dangerous here because any diamond or straight card is a scare card. I think you either play it safe and fold in hopes of picking a better spot, or you reraise big (like, to 200) and try to separate the draws from the sets this way. This is a tough one though. Edit: woops, thought you were looking for comments on all three hands. Meanwhile, Djoyce recommended calling, which I thought was the worst option. And this IS the loose and bad player, so this looks more like a set than a draw to me. I don't see bad and passive players raising their draws like that. Bleh, just ignore everything I said. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I need to go to sleep. |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
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Hand 3: Button looks like an agressive draw (i'm assuming this is not the loose passive guy from hand 1 and 2). [/ QUOTE ] I might not have mentioned, all three hands have the same villian. Hand 3 is the one I'm primarily concern with. I think the fact that it's the same villian should be the main factor in deciding the proper action. I'm not sure he'd raise with a draw here.. but I can't be certain seeing as the two previous hands are just baffling. Concerning the reraise, if I reraise to 200, we're check/folding if he calls, right? |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
Your decision on hand 3 is tough. Your villain may have a pattern of minraising with big face cards in the hole (have you seen any non-minraises from him?) Or the pattern might just be an artifact of the hands you posted/saw him showdown.
I think I trust the pattern here, and put him on a draw. Maybe something like KQs, or AQ again. In any event, I would play AA, KK, or the queens you actually had the same way, and assume he was on a big draw. So, call his minraise, reraise, or push? Maybe I am weak-tight, but I call his raise and push a non-diamond turn. |
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Re: More min-raising: now we\'re OOP
Do you think there's any possibility we're beat? Taking into account the last two hands we've played.. do you think he should think I have SOME sort of hand?
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