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Old 12-22-2005, 06:57 PM
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So this would be an somewhat easy hand to play against a limper...but I got a little lost since I was against the big blind.

I'm sure I misplayed it. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

MP (t1389)
Button (t2120)
Hero (t6208)
BB (t3180)
UTG (t2103)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t750</font>, BB calls t450.

Turn: (t1800) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t450</font>, Hero calls t450.

River: (t2700) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t600</font>, Hero calls t600.

Final Pot: t3900
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:59 PM
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Why are you playing so passive? Lead the turn with a pot sized raise... if he reraises, push.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:02 PM
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With flush and straight draws, I would raise the turn. But, if you didn't and he raised, I would have reraised at that point.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:02 PM
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Why are you playing so passive? Lead the turn with a pot sized raise... if he reraises, push.

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I raise more on this flop too. Punish those draws. Most likely 1k or so.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:06 PM
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If you're going to check-raise the flop, you have to make a much larger bet, at least 1000.

As played, you're giving him odds to draw to an OESD, for example.

And look what falls on the turn. So now you don't know where you are, and you're stuck calling his value bets, or possibly folding the best hand.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:40 PM
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If you're going to check-raise the flop, you have to make a much larger bet, at least 1000.

As played, you're giving him odds to draw to an OESD, for example.

And look what falls on the turn. So now you don't know where you are, and you're stuck calling his value bets, or possibly folding the best hand.

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I usually handle my small blind vs. big blind spots half-way well...but this one got messy...

You're dead on about what you said...

but doesn't this seem like a hand that would occur about 1% of the time? I have Q9 and flop top two - and the big blind...does he REALLY have 10 J?

I priced him in on purpose actually 'cuz I thought the odds that I'd get paid off by ANY Queen (and quite possibly any 9 - the guy was an uber-fish) were too great to bet him out of the flop...

then the turn...then the river...

I regretted the flop soft-play for sure.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:57 PM
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If you're going to check-raise the flop, you have to make a much larger bet, at least 1000.

As played, you're giving him odds to draw to an OESD, for example.

And look what falls on the turn. So now you don't know where you are, and you're stuck calling his value bets, or possibly folding the best hand.

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I usually handle my small blind vs. big blind spots half-way well...but this one got messy...

You're dead on about what you said...

but doesn't this seem like a hand that would occur about 1% of the time? I have Q9 and flop top two - and the big blind...does he REALLY have 10 J?

I priced him in on purpose actually 'cuz I thought the odds that I'd get paid off by ANY Queen (and quite possibly any 9 - the guy was an uber-fish) were too great to bet him out of the flop...

then the turn...then the river...

I regretted the flop soft-play for sure.

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It's been said before: "The hand that CAN beat you WILL beat you."

Of course, you don't want to always be seeing "Monsters under the bed", but the more poker you play, the more you'll realize that it usually pays to play your strong hands fast, unless you have an absolute monster, which you don't here. There are just too many ways 7 cards can beat you.

I mean, I might occasionally play top 2-pair slow, but it's not my default. I'd have to have a reason for it.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:17 PM
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It's been said before: "The hand that CAN beat you WILL beat you."

Of course, you don't want to always be seeing "Monsters under the bed", but the more poker you play, the more you'll realize that it usually pays to play your strong hands fast, unless you have an absolute monster, which you don't here. There are just too many ways 7 cards can beat you.

I mean, I might occasionally play top 2-pair slow, but it's not my default. I'd have to have a reason for it.

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Yeah...not the best flop for 'slow' playing...

I don't see those pesky monsters under the bed...I easily intentionally ignore them...but they sure felt present in this hand...

I guess this is one of the classic 'win small lose big hands' ...?
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:19 PM
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It's been said before: "The hand that CAN beat you WILL beat you."

Of course, you don't want to always be seeing "Monsters under the bed", but the more poker you play, the more you'll realize that it usually pays to play your strong hands fast, unless you have an absolute monster, which you don't here. There are just too many ways 7 cards can beat you.

I mean, I might occasionally play top 2-pair slow, but it's not my default. I'd have to have a reason for it.

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Yeah...not the best flop for 'slow' playing...

I don't see those pesky monsters under the bed...I easily intentionally ignore them...but they sure felt present in this hand...

I guess this is one of the classic 'win small lose big hands' ...?

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Play it more aggressively and it's win small, win big... and lose to a donk 10% of the time when he sucks out.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:36 PM
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Play it more aggressively and it's win small, win big... and lose to a donk 10% of the time when he sucks out.

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I agree I didn't play the hand aggressively enough...
but for sake of discussion...

If I check-raise to ...ooh...1250 or if I lead out for say 500ish...

Aren't I just telling weak Queens and any 9 to rightly fold? Playing it the way I did...I fully expected to get paid off by any Queen and most 9s from this particular fish.

Now maybe THIS time there WAS a monster under the bed... but shouldn't I be more concerned with the higher percentage of the time I can really take the villain for a ride than with the lower percentage of the time the villain holds one of those draws - in his 2 random card big blind?

(More often than not there is no monster under that bed!)

I'm still missing some philosophical piece of the puzzle here...(as to the reasoning of playing the hand aggro like against the big blind....)

What hands pay me off if I do?

Though the aggro would have the benefit of making it "incorrect" for draws to call...and the comfort of knowing that I at least got my money in good...
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