TPQK in position hu

[Maulik]

Is there any reason we aren't betting the turn for value?

[TheWorstPlayer]

If they c/r us, we have to fold when we could have gotten to showdown for the same price if we check and call the river. And we may induce bluffs on the river. And we may make our river raise look like a bluff so it may get called by hands even worse than an ace.

[Kirkrrr]

I don't think just calling here is that bad. Min-raising is an option too, easy fold if he 3-bets.

Kirk

[BK_]

i raise less pf to keep the pot manageable, keep in some dominated hands, make continuation bets cheaper, make it less enticing for someone to c/r bluff me on the flop, and allow myself to raise pf more to avoid looking like a nit. yea yea, one or two of these may contradict each other, but i still like it. if i raise the river i make it 100, and fold to a 3 bet for sure. however normally when i check the turn there i flat call a river bet. said another way, if i think there will be enough value on the river for a raise i will be betting the turn... unless the board counterfits 2 pair or something.

[barongreenback]

Am I right in thinking that if a value raise isn't correct here vs a likely worse ace then it would be correct to bluff raise with an under pp? I think the size of the raise would be similar in both cases. Since I'm not really happy bluffing then I should be value raising.

If I wasn't sure how he'd react I'd be inclined to make the raise with the AQ if only to find out.

James

[TheWorstPlayer]

I think for the precise reason that raising this river as a bluff is spewing, raising for value is a must. I would love to hear more discussion around a river push, though. I really find it hard to believe we're behind and I have just seen WAY too many "big calls" to not think there may be a lot of value in a push here.

Here's a nice one from yesterday. The chat is priceless.

$400 NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Villain ( $353.90 )
Seat 2: TWP ( $455.80 )
Seat 5: Annoying 2+2er( $692.20 )
Seat 3: X ( $189.60 )
Seat 4: X ( $263 )
X posts small blind [$2].
Annoying 2+2er posts big blind [$4].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TWP [ 9h Td ]
Villain raises [$8].
TWP raises [$35].
X folds.
X folds.
Annoying 2+2er folds.
Villain calls [$27].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Qs, 3s ]
Villain checks.
TWP bets [$50].
Villain calls [$50].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
Villain checks.
TWP checks.

** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Villain checks.
TWP is all-In.
Villain: ak no good
Villain is all-In.
Villain shows [ Ad, Kc ] a pair of kings.
TWP shows [ 9h, Td ] a straight, nine to king.
TWP wins $101.90 from side pot #1 with a straight, nine to king.
TWP wins $711.80 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.

[maranello11]

I make it 100 on river and fold to re-raise, it looks like he may have A10, AJ and think you have KK and shut down after your small bet on the flop. I like this.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Did someone ninja bump this thread? WTF? I hate that [censored]. Even when it's my thread.