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Auto-fold 32 72.73%
3-bet only maniacs or people on tilt 10 22.73%
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:21 PM
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Yeah - I though the exposed hand would be 'officially' dead...but I see your points about penalizing instead of declaring it dead....

Isn't the whole point point of not allowing you to show so that no one can get reads on people from showing?
...but with no more action to come and him holding the nuts --- now I think that this would be declared a call in any game anywhere.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:22 PM
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the point is that you don't affect OTHER people's actions...with no one left to act, thats obviously not a problem [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:27 PM
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I see your point Traz - but I still contend that he shouldn't be able to flip over bottom two pair to get a reaction from me - if I'm surprised he's considereing calling or folding it.

Could you link the tourney rules you've read you refered to earlier? I think we've read different stuff.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation

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You can impose a penalty if you want. I would not personally cause this is a home game.

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I would definately impose a penalty -- probably something like, he has to run to the fridge and get me a beer the next time he can do so without holding up the game.
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:27 PM
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The ban isn't about getting reads on opponents.

The reason for not allowing showing in a tournament is that every player whether in the hand or not has an interest in the hand and the outcome. I agree that WHEN THERE IS NO FURTHER ACTION TO COME A PLAYER SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO EXPOSE THEIR HAND SINCE IT CAN'T AFFECT THE ACTION (that being said I truly believe that the vast majority of people who pull this stunt are in capable of getting a read on their opponent anyway - but they think it makes them look cool).

I was just pointing out that The TDA rules which are among the most widely accepted written rules of tournament poker do not allow this practice. Personally if I was making the rules this would be permitted in these circumstances (however the player would be subject to ridicule).
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:18 PM
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For this he called, it was clear what he was doing. He should know better then flipping and he should be reminded not to do it. It causes problems. Had he flipped say a KX, then I would of called it a fold. Your not allowed to expose cards untill all betting is completed. I was at a tournement at a casino and they have the following rule.
If in heads up play, all cards deaqlt and player a goes all in and player B flips up his cards to get a read on player A. Then player A would have to sit out of the game for 30 minutes while still paying the blinds. The second time time it happens, he is thrown out of the tournement.
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Old 12-02-2005, 07:26 PM
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I can remember Howard Lederer saying in a no limit kansas city lowball: If you flip your cards, the hand is ruled dead. One of the other players asked if he could flip his cards to get a read on his opponent. Lederer answered like there was no question about it.
Since you're playing a home game, the rules can be altered. He intended to call, that is obviously, but in WSOP the hand would be dead.
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Old 12-03-2005, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation

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but in WSOP the hand would be dead.

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That's wrong. The WSOP rules specifically say a penalty may be incurred, but the hand will NOT be killed. Read rule 37.

http://www.harrahs.com/wsop/rules.html
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:21 AM
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Default Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation

People here need to stop giving incorrect information. The hand is NOT dead in a tournament. It would also NOT be dead if this was a cash game because the play is Heads Up. There is no way anyone's action can be affected by the button flipping up his cards. In a cash game, an exposed hand MAY be ruled dead, and should be if it is being used as an angle shoot, unless the action is heads up.

In a tournament, as in this case, the hand is NOT dead, but it is NOT allowed and the button may be assessed a time penalty.
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Old 12-05-2005, 07:41 AM
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out of curiosity, I was playing at a cash game the other day and someone went all-in against me, when we were heads up. As I was thinking, he flipped over 1 of his cards and just left it there. I was curious if this was allowed?
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