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Old 10-25-2005, 06:43 AM
Megenoita Megenoita is offline
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Default What hands should be long term winners?

yeah, what hands?

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Old 10-25-2005, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: What hands should be long term winners?

Limit or NL?
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Old 10-25-2005, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: What hands should be long term winners?

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Limit or NL?

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I'm sorry, Limit Hold Em, 5/10 6 max specifically.
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Old 10-25-2005, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: What hands should be long term winners?

Any hand you play should be +EV. Otherwise you wouldn't play it.
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Old 10-25-2005, 05:02 PM
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Any hand you play should be +EV. Otherwise you wouldn't play it.

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No, because certain hands you will only play in certain situations, like 87s. I'm wondering what hands should be long term winners, not just winners when you play them.

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Old 10-25-2005, 07:31 PM
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certain hands you will only play in certain situations, like 87s. I'm wondering what hands should be long term winners, not just winners when you play them.

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Shoot me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a perspective of someone who's coming from the blackjack side of the house. In BJ, it's totally documentable how any intelligent player will do over the long run with 99, 65, 9T, etc.

Assuming a randomized deck, there really aren't any "situations" to speak of. And you're playing these hands every time.

A great deal of what makes poker interesting is that the game is chock full of "situations." Take those away, and you're left with something as banal as video poker or Caribbean stud.

If you really want to belabor the point, yes AA should be an overall winner under just about any conceivable circumstance, and 27o's reputation is not so good. But you already know that.

Trying to be more precise -- say, contending that KJs is an overall winner and KJo is not -- strikes me as missing all of the more interesting stuff about position, table texture, number of people seated, people already in the hand, stack size, betting structure (NL, limit, PL, hi blinds/lo blinds, antes, early/late stage of a tournament, etc.) etc.
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:48 PM
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Default Re: What hands should be long term winners?

[censored] someone post a chart to help OP, not just bable.
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Old 10-26-2005, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: What hands should be long term winners?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...v=#Post3668416

Some starting hand requirements for 6max

Keep in mind, preflop is important, but most of the game is postflop.
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Old 10-26-2005, 04:28 AM
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Old 10-26-2005, 04:40 AM
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Default Re: What hands should be long term winners?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...v=#Post3668416

Some starting hand requirements for 6max

Keep in mind, preflop is important, but most of the game is postflop.

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I've had this since the day it came out.

This is the weirdest set of replies I've ever seen for a post. Maybe it's my fault.

On 2+2 it's very common for the OP to post a question and receive such answers as, "Why do you care about that question? Don't care about that question. Care instead about A, B, and C. Forget that stupid question." Well, I care about my question.

I want to look down at 76s in PT and know what it should win for a good player. Would anyone be willing to post their hands over a long period? Or point to a link that does?

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