Value Bet?

[Chris Dow]

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BUT: Looking at this board, given the lack of action on earlier streets, what hand out there would call a value bet but wouldn't raise you and beat you?

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Any pair. A retarded 2-pair. Sometimes Ace-high. IMO betting this river is +EV, and I don't think it is close.

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PokerBob nailed it, although *we* don't see what an opponent can call with here and lose, they are infinitely more creative than us. Value bet here, call raise, not close.

[New001]

Remember you're playing poker online. You'll get called by almost any piece of this board and most pocket pairs by some people.

I just saw this hand as I was reading this:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 3s 7s (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Button has Td Tc (full house, tens full of sixes).
Outcome: Button wins 9.16 BB. </font>

Definitely bet this and call a raise.

[clownshoes]

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Utg +1 only 3rd hand at table. BB LP over about 40 hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO folds.

River: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero??</font>

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Holy crap. Do you see why? I'll let others elaborate.

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Stop acting like a huge [censored] bigshot. As if its completely beneath you to explain why this is a clear bet. Its ridiculously arrogant and completely useless to the forums. Not to mention it annoys the hell out of a lot of people.

But yes this is a very clear bet. These people will call down with any piece of the board.

[cassady]

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BUT: Looking at this board, given the lack of action on earlier streets, what hand out there would call a value bet but wouldn't raise you and beat you?

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Any pair. A retarded 2-pair. Sometimes Ace-high. IMO betting this river is +EV, and I don't think it is close.

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PokerBob nailed it, although *we* don't see what an opponent can call with here and lose, they are infinitely more creative than us. Value bet here, call raise, not close.

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Let's change it aroud a bit. Say you were out of position, and were leading the betting instead of being checked to then called. Would you still lead out on the river?

[brettbrettr]

yes.

[Yobz]

Easy value bet, call a raise but not a 3-bet..

[27offsooot]

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Utg +1 only 3rd hand at table. BB LP over about 40 hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO folds.

River: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero??

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Holy crap. Do you see why? I'll let others elaborate.

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Holy crap. You're a prick. Do you see why? I don't have to let others elaborate. </font>

[Spartan1983]

Thanks for the replies everyone. Hero did bet and took down the pot.

River: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

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It's not close. Bet this river. Some of you guys are weenies.

[imported_leader]

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Holy crap. Do you see why? I'll let others elaborate.

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Just once why don't you elaborate?