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Default (?) line vs turn ch/r while holding overpair?
Is this a good or bad board while holding queens.. not sure what I would've done if I got ch/r on the flop either. Probably call and fold to a strong lead on the turn: am I playin too weak tight overall? This is Villian's second orbit I have no idea his range for calling PFRs.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) converter SB ($204.25) BB ($200) UTG ($302.85) Hero ($202.30) MP1 ($271.05) MP2 ($178.50) MP3 ($210.05) CO ($198) Button ($196) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $10, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $9, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($32) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $22</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls $22. Turn: ($76) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $120</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $231 Should I just have pushed knowing I have straight outs if I am in fact behind (unlikely he hit that straight card as QK seems the only likely hand to call a PFR that hit it and I hold half the queens). I could be against two pair which increase my outs - JT - and against a set I guess I'm not doing too poorly. The main question I guess I have is that vs an unknown player, is the default read to believe we're behind at this point? |
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Re: Default (?) line vs turn ch/r while holding overpair?
if you get checkraised on the flop you should definately call
given the way the hand played out checking the turn is very good. a few reasons: 1. keeps pot size (76) manageable to the point you can call a PSB ish bet comfortably. 2. you could convince villain their AJ/KJ/QJ is good, thereby allowing you to valuebet river if they check 3. you have outs, so you would hate to see a checkraise. with AJ i'd bet this turn, (moreso for free showdown) QQ i'd check Also if I was to bet the turn I'd bet 40ish. (not that 35 is so different) who was villain? (was he a reg?) |
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Re: Default (?) line vs turn ch/r while holding overpair?
Yea i was really thinking about the free card but could you really call a PSB if A, Q, J, or spade fell. Do you call all-in when a blank river falls? Do you have more of a reason to bet with AA than QQ? Why?
villian was a total unknown, this was during his second orbit where I hadn't seen anything from him whatsoever. I learned some valuable info after the hand though but did not choose to stick around to exploit it since I revealed my holding as I folded, and do not play effectively against his style. EDIT: oh yea, and how do you play the turn after getting ch/r on the flop, given the exact same hand/board/turn card, and facing a PSB on the turn. Any general guidelines? I've ended up calling 1/4-1/3 Potsize value bets after getting ch/r on the flop and was shown top set. |
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Re: Default (?) line vs turn ch/r while holding overpair?
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Yea i was really thinking about the free card but could you really call a PSB if A, Q, J, or spade fell. Do you call all-in when a blank river falls? Do you have more of a reason to bet with AA than QQ? Why? [/ QUOTE ] maybe not an ace or spade. A jack is tricky too. It's unlikely a Q wouldimprove their hand, (to beat yours) unless they had KJ, or something like A8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] etc. Plus when there is 4 to a straight on board any big (or pot sized bet) its always weird. but there are a bunch of scare cards. Would I call an all in? if yo ucheck the turn and villain bets 170ish into a 75 pot? No, I would fold. unless of course you hit K or 8. then you're probably looking at a split. in terms of betting with AA vs QQ i might check the turn there, actually if I have the trump ace it matters. [ QUOTE ] EDIT: oh yea, and how do you play the turn after getting ch/r on the flop, given the exact same hand/board/turn card, and facing a PSB on the turn. Any general guidelines? I've ended up calling 1/4-1/3 Potsize value bets after getting ch/r on the flop and was shown top set. [/ QUOTE ] this is similar to another thread either yesterday or a day before... it's a little different because it's 1/2, and instead of being led into you're checkraised, but maybe this will help? QQ on J9x |
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Re: Default (?) line vs turn ch/r while holding overpair?
I really like checking behind on the turn here.
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