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Old 06-24-2005, 05:11 PM
jonnyUCB jonnyUCB is offline
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Default Some frustrating high-pp decisions

Hand #1:

Villian will chase to no end. Anyone fold this river? Push the turn?

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Button ($136.25)
SB ($123.95)
BB ($908.20)
UTG ($407.65)
MP ($156)
Hero ($581.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $105</font>, BB calls $65.

Turn: ($240) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $240</font>, BB calls $240.

River: ($720) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $268</font>, Hero ???

Final Pot: $1210.65

Hand #2
I had been raising a lot of pots and taken it down preflop without much resistance. Opponent is passive when it comes to bluffing and overplays single pair.

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SB ($504.40)
BB ($432.80)
UTG ($126)
MP ($364.85)
CO ($312.80)
Hero ($475)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $16.

Flop: ($64) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $36</font>, Hero ???

Hand #3
Villian is an aggressive player whenever he enters the pot. Curious on a safe turn line - I thought i should bet to at least represent the ace so as to see villian's reaction. Should i just check/fold?

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Button ($351.65)
SB ($465.85)
BB ($394)
UTG ($114.40)
Hero ($394.80)
CO ($903.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($48) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $32</font>, SB calls $32.

Turn: ($112) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ???


Hand #4:
No strong reads on villian who flat-called behind. I wanted to iso the shortstack here and blow out some draws but I ended up getting more action than I wanted and the potsize on the turn is huge. Anyone want to give a better flop-&gt; turn line?
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MP ($646.40)
CO ($441)
Button ($120.80)
SB ($68)
BB ($404.30)
Hero ($678.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $12, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($46) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $44</font>, MP calls $44, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $54</font>, Hero calls $10, MP calls $10.

Turn: ($208) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero ???


Also, a set hand. Button raiser is solid which is why I thought I had implied. I was going to trap but when there was an additional caller (the CO is the villian from hand #3) I wasn't sure how to act - Do i depend on the tight button to bet again (he might be scared with two callers and check through, no?)

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MP ($362.65)
CO ($635.85)
Button ($402.50)
SB ($137.60)
Hero ($412)
UTG ($753.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $16, MP calls $16, CO calls $16.

Flop: ($82) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $28</font>, Hero calls $28, MP folds, CO calls $28.

Turn: ($166) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero ???
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:23 PM
djoyce003 djoyce003 is offline
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Default Re: Some frustrating high-pp decisions

I'll take a shot,

1) I call this, if he hit runner runner flush so be it...it's on here so i'm sure you lost, but the guy made some pretty horrendous calls if that's the case.

2) I think this is a donkbet trying to price in his flush draw....if you know the guy won't do that, then it's probably a set hoping to get raised....depending on my reads I call this or raise, but it's highly read dependent...given your read on him, I raise.

3) Terrible turn card....If you've got an agressive villain i'd probably half pot it, fold to a raise, hopefully get to check behind on the river.

4) Looks like you are now in a side pot situation...i'd probably go ahead and fire off about a 25% to 50% pot bet...as basically you are now firing at a dry side pot.

5) I'd bet about 3/4 of the pot...I think you ahead and there is a flush out there.....your preflop raiser is going to get nervous after you both called his raise. The only thing that worries me is the other call...if you are up against 88 or JJ then you are just SOL.
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:26 PM
phil_ivey_fan phil_ivey_fan is offline
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Default Re: Some frustrating high-pp decisions

hand 1: call

hand 2: would opponent lead a draw in a multiway? what are sb's stats? this is key.

hand 3: bet the turn, if raised, fold. if called, check down the river or fold to sb river lead.

hand 4: check.

hand 5: couple of options based on the dynamics of the table. weak lead, c/r. I don't like the smooth call. there are a lot of cards that can give your opponents better hands.


do you have pokertracker stats?
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Some frustrating high-pp decisions

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2) I think this is a donkbet trying to price in his flush draw....if you know the guy won't do that, then it's probably a set hoping to get raised....depending on my reads I call this or raise, but it's highly read dependent...given your read on him, I raise.


[/ QUOTE ]

So if i raise and he pushes, we fold?

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4) Looks like you are now in a side pot situation...i'd probably go ahead and fire off about a 25% to 50% pot bet...as basically you are now firing at a dry side pot.

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What if we get raised? What river cards will we fire again at?

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5) I'd bet about 3/4 of the pot...I think you ahead and there is a flush out there.....your preflop raiser is going to get nervous after you both called his raise. The only thing that worries me is the other call...if you are up against 88 or JJ then you are just SOL.

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Are you advocating a flop bet/raise? or leading the turn after getting that 2nd caller?
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:38 PM
fimbulwinter fimbulwinter is offline
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Default Re: Some frustrating high-pp decisions

1: come on now, you don't need to post this one.
2: call flop, call non diamond turn. normally i'd raise, bgut a good player will blow you off your QQ with Ax[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], so calling and playing some poker on the turn is the way to go IMO
3: check, call reasonable river bet on non [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] river.
4: bet 150, fold to push
5: you need to raise this flop. as played, checkraise the turn.

all lines above are kind of dependant on a pseudo-aggressive image such that people will play with you with less than a set. if you have titanic folding equity such that you cannot make value bets with overpairs anymore, start raising your draws hard.

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Old 06-24-2005, 06:36 PM
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Default Re: Some frustrating high-pp decisions

Regarding all these hands, my stats are 30/13/2.55AF, 6-max, advertising no bluffs though, but people notice I've been betting and ch/folding often.

Regarding 1, do we always call even if theres a good chance we're beat, say, if a club falls, just by virtue of the fact we priced him correctly and were going allin on the river no matter what? My read when he called both bets was a flush draw (maybe a pair of jacks to go with it). Should I just have went in on the turn then since I was going to call the river bet, regardless?

Regarding 2, I've never tried this line of reasoning it sounds risky. Do we push vs a strong lead on the turn (if a blank - A,9, d), more than half pot? What about less?

Regarding 4, do I really want to commit half a buyin just to fold?
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Old 06-24-2005, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: Some frustrating high-pp decisions

Hand 1: Just push the turn. Your stack size, as noticed leaves you in very bad spot when the draw gets there(and there are a decent amount out there).

Hand 2: I could call if I think opponent will tell me exactly what he has on the turn. Otherwise raise.

Hand 3: Bet more on the flop.

hand 4: Reads are always good. I still bet though, 3/4 of pot seems good, pot is protected so he can't really put a move on you.

Hand 5: Bet the flop. You can then trap the entire field in between the preflop raiser, and put everyone in a bad spot all at the same time. fun.
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Old 06-24-2005, 09:20 PM
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Hand #1: Villian has 7c8c for rivered straight.


Hand #2: I kinda like the call in position line but wouldn't like to give free cards to villian. Also, the player to act after me claims he folded JJ so if he had raised I'd be in a pickle. Anyone fold to the reraise here?

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SB ($504.40)
BB ($432.80)
UTG ($126)
MP ($364.85)
CO ($312.80)
Hero ($475)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $16.

Flop: ($64) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $36</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $136</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $344.85</font>, Hero calls $208.85.

Turn: ($753.70) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($753.70) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $753.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has Td 9s (one pair, nines).
Hero has Qc Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $753.70. </font>

Hand #3

Hero bets 40 (giving decent odds - 4 to 1 - to a flush if he wants to chase but still charging/maintaining position), Villian ch/r to 100. Hero folds. Still unsure what the best line is here vs an aggressive player. I don't really like folding to a big river bet, but I guess if he bet ~50 I would call since I was willing to bet 40 on the turn. Any thoughts on a decent size to call on the river?

Hand #4
I think everyone was right to say I should bet pretty heavy on the turn as he is unlikely to pull a big play with one player already all-in. I was just uncomfortable with having to bet 1/2 my stack just to fold to an all-in. It also scares me to have two players calling an UTG raiser.

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MP ($646.40)
CO ($441)
Button ($120.80)
SB ($68)
BB ($404.30)
Hero ($678.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $12, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($46) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $44</font>, MP calls $44, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $54</font>, Hero calls $10, MP calls $10.

Turn: ($208) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, MP calls $60.

River: ($328) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

Final Pot: $328

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Ah 9h (flush, ace high).
Hero has Jc Js (one pair, jacks).
MP has Ts Qs (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: SB wins $328. </font>

Hand #5

Butchered this one pretty badly.

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MP ($362.65)
CO ($635.85)
Button ($402.50)
SB ($137.60)
Hero ($412)
UTG ($753.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $16, MP calls $16, CO calls $16.

Flop: ($82) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $28</font>, Hero calls $28, MP folds, CO calls $28.

Turn: ($166) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, CO calls $60, Button folds.

River: ($286) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, CO calls $100.

Final Pot: $486

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 6d 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
CO has 5d 7d (straight, eight high).
Outcome: CO wins $486. </font>
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