KQs vs. a 3 bet preflop

Eurotrash · #1 06-09-2005, 02:16 AM

I don't like the way I did this, particularly the river check felt kind of weak. But at the time my plan was raise the turn and check behind the river (and I executed that weak sauce flawlessly [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]) Flame on.

Reads are that UTG is a real buddylist type, limps with any two, calls down with any piece. BB I haven't seen got too much out of line, but he tends towards the overly loose and aggressive side.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

DCWildcat · #2 06-09-2005, 04:37 AM

UTG's play is strange. Many fish like to try that little aggression to check/raise crap that he did on turn/river. I But if he's as fishy as you say, bet for value.

mmbt0ne · #3 06-09-2005, 04:40 AM

I think it's rare that you'll have an opponent donkbet you here with the flush. Most likely he has a pair and picked up a flush draw on the turn, hoping to scare you out.

As for BB, if he ha a better hand than you, he sure isn't showing it.

Nothing really gets there with the 7, I bet and fold to a check-raise.

DCWildcat · #4 06-09-2005, 04:44 AM

Really? We have 18.5 BB in this pot, I think I'd have to call the c/r

fireman664 · #5 06-09-2005, 04:45 AM

i agree i think you would have to call a C/R....but I still think a value bet is the proper play on the river.

mmbt0ne · #6 06-09-2005, 04:48 AM

The only check-raise I would call is if I bet, BB folded, and UTG raised.

If BB check-raises after just calling 2 cold, it's with a monster. If UTG check-raises a protected pot, I don't see how we can call.

DCWildcat · #7 06-09-2005, 04:54 AM

I agree, I thought we were addressing a UTG c/r, not a BB one.

mmbt0ne · #8 06-09-2005, 04:57 AM

It's probably going to be pretty close with folding or calling any check-raise from UTG. I'm going to think about some more, but I initially thought what I posted earlier. Folding to a BB check-raise is obivous though, you're right.

I think it's most important that we bet the river and worry about the check-raise later if it comes.

Eurotrash · #9 06-09-2005, 05:04 AM

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I think it's most important that we bet the river and worry about the check-raise later if it comes.

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ok, this is what I needed to hear. Looking back on this one, the river play was just pretty bad. i was really close to betting, but the villains' play during their time at the table was really peculiar, and it kind of spooked me into checking behind on this one. I think I had been c/r'd too many times tonight on the river and just plain wimped out.

Thanks for everybody's input so far in this thread, too. I'll post results later if any are interested