Today's quiz at Cardplayer: steal situation - Page 3

rory · #1 12-14-2005, 04:19 PM

check behind on turn because you have a gutshot

marsvolta619 · #2 12-14-2005, 04:28 PM

How many outs are we giving hero? I'm thinking we have about 5-5.5 which still gives us odds to call, but like Victor said, hate it. I'd tend to check behind this turn

Wynton · #3 12-14-2005, 04:29 PM

Can I assume that those advocating to check the turn are all going to fold the river ui?

One other point. For anyone who hasn't read the book, the authors clearly state that they are not suggesting that each street in their example (before the question) has been played properly.

sammy_g · #4 12-14-2005, 04:33 PM

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Can I assume that those advocating to check the turn are all going to fold the river ui?

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No. I know I'd call...

rory · #5 12-14-2005, 04:38 PM

i call the river ui most of the time

Wynton · #6 12-14-2005, 04:44 PM

Alright, if you're calling the river ui most of the time, then I assume you believe that your hand is best a significant percentage of the time. In that case, you are not checking the turn because of your outs, but because you really hate to be c/r?

sammy_g · #7 12-14-2005, 04:50 PM

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Alright, if you're calling the river ui most of the time, then I assume you believe that your hand is best a significant percentage of the time. In that case, you are not checking the turn because of your outs, but because you really hate to be c/r?

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I don't see any inconsistency. Our hand is good more than 1 time in 5 on the river, but not good often enough to bet the turn given the risk of a c/r. The difference between this hand and the normal AK unimproved-type hands is that here we have to call a turn c/r, and also this flop is more likely to have hit BB.

marsvolta619 · #8 12-14-2005, 04:52 PM

I'm checking because I'm assuming I dont have reads and yes, I would hate getting c/rd with slight odds to call

#9 12-14-2005, 04:54 PM

If the pot had an absolute ton of bets in it I would bet this turn HU. In a small pot the times he passes you with some pair (you have all of broadway covered) are much less significant than the times he cr's you.

rory · #10 12-14-2005, 04:57 PM

Here is like my general sort of thinking which is sort of tuned from playing online and might be mistuned. I'm rusty.

I don't know anything about my opponent. I have two overcards and a gutshot. If I get check raised I hate folding because I have a draw to the nuts and I might be folding a hand with ten outs or possibly the best hand. If I check I can call a river bet without worrying too much because I just made a bluff inducing move by checking on the turn and I'm so aggressive on the button I can easily have no hand after my turn check. If I bet the turn, though, he might fold a pocket pair which would be great. He also might fold a hand like Q8 or something which has 10 outs to beat me too. But.. the pot is very small. So I don't mind much if I give a free card because the pot is so small and I might be getting a free card or dodging a check raise anyway. So I'll give him a free card that might be a free card for me in a nothing pot and call his possible bluff bet on the river because I think my hand is probably good >25% of the time. Hope I spike a Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].