Top Three Pair Probably No Good

ninjaunderwear · #1 10-05-2005, 01:44 PM

MP2 is 14.8/10.76/2.46 after 344 hands.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero ???

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

I am either way ahead or way behind on this flop. Would a bet here accomplish anything? If so, how would I play against a check-raise?

The turn is disheartening. Am I ahead of any thing that MP2 bets? I have two outs so raising is probably incorrect. If I call, what is my plan for the river?

sean c · #2 10-05-2005, 01:48 PM

Bet the flop if he calls or raises i'm pretty much done with the hand after that turn card. By checking the flop you pretty much handed him this pot.

DCWildcat · #3 10-05-2005, 01:50 PM

Not betting this flop kills. Hand plays differently from there.

Sykes · #4 10-05-2005, 01:50 PM

not betting this flop is pretty bad. Also, you pretty much screwed yourself because this guy could be betting with just an A.

MrWookie47 · #5 10-05-2005, 01:50 PM

Yes. You're either way ahead or way behind, but giving free cards to someone who is way behind (and will call with a worse hand) is pretty bad. Bet that flop.

#6 10-05-2005, 01:51 PM

A flop bet may have won the pot. It also would have protected you from a bluff turn bet by your opponent, who probably senses weakness from your flop check.

I probably fold to a flop check-raise.

When he bets the turn, I think you're WA/WB, and I call. If he checks the river, I probably bet/fold.

sean c · #7 10-05-2005, 01:54 PM

Bet the flop if he calls bet the turn if he check/raises fold and don't loose one minute of sleep over it if he just calls a turn bet check the river through., The only possible tough part of this hand would have been if he chek/called flop and turn and donked the river.

ninjaunderwear · #8 10-05-2005, 01:55 PM

I'm getting the general impression that I should have bet this flop.

gharp · #9 10-05-2005, 01:56 PM

Bet the flop. I think your decisions in this hand got really difficult because you didn't.

The way it played out, on the turn he probably thinks you have an underpair and he'd bet out with a lot of hands here. Of course, he could also have a K or Q. You're ahead of hands like AJ/AT, that someone with those stats would probably open with from MP2 and very well might bet here.

I'm not really sure what you should do here -- I think it's pretty dependent on the bluffiness of MP2.

EDIT: Wow, 7 people beat me to this one! I type slow...

ninjaunderwear · #10 10-05-2005, 02:05 PM

I think it is unanimous that the correct play is to bet the flop. MP2 would probably check-raise, which would inadvertently make the hand easier to play and allow me to lose between 0.5BB to 1.5BB less than I did.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed)converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Kh Kd (four of a kind, kings).
Hero has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 7.75 BB.