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Old 11-06-2005, 11:05 PM
cjs cjs is offline
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Default big slick early in a 33

2nd hand of a 33 on party so no reads.

**** Hand History for Game 2993905781 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:17200459 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, November 06, 22:30:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 67923 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: coolmoney001 ( $800 )
Seat 2: Bfolse ( $800 )
Seat 3: nthn2fancy ( $800 )
Seat 4: jon__hill ( $785 )
Seat 5: pizzaboy666 ( $785 )
Seat 6: kcsbest1 ( $875 )
Seat 7: UJazzMan ( $785 )
Seat 8: ASaltySalute ( $785 )
Seat 9: wnk92892 ( $785 )
Seat 10: hero ( $800 )
Trny:17200459 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Ac Kh ]
hero raises [45].
coolmoney001 folds.
Bfolse folds.
nthn2fancy folds.
jon__hill calls [45].
pizzaboy666 folds.
kcsbest1 folds.
UJazzMan folds.
>You have options at Table 68236 Table!.
ASaltySalute folds.
wnk92892 calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 7s, Tc ]
wnk92892 bets [40].
hero raises [125].
jon__hill folds.
wnk92892 calls [85].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
wnk92892 checks.
hero bets [300].
wnk92892 calls [300].
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
>You have options at Table 64828 Table!.
wnk92892 bets [300].

hero ???
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

Raise more preflop. Call the flop bet. Go from there.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

Do you really only want to pick up the blinds in level 1? If you raise 5x the bb you will get less or no callers.

In this hand if I am called preflop and call his flop bet don't we get to the same spot on the turn. An A falls he checks and I make a strong bet.

I took the check on the turn as a draw and bet enough to give him no odds to call. He just calls and when the the draw hits on the river he leads. I laid the hand down but wanted to see if I played it poorly.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

We must not be playing in the same 33s. A raise to 60-75 usually gets plenty of callers for me level 1. You're out of position, so I would probably raise to 75.

On the flop, when you raise, you expose yourself to a re-raise. That is the main reason I don't like it. Plus, you're probably behind in the hand. But even if you don't get reraised, what if a blank comes on the turn?
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:21 AM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

If I get reraised on the flop I can lay it down without a second thought. In this hand it would have saved me chips.

I didn't look at it as a made hand on the flop but if I had a set I might have played it similar to the villian. I may have just screwed this hand up from the beginning. The laydown on the river may have been the only thing I did right.
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:13 AM
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I took the check on the turn as a draw and bet enough to give him no odds to call. He just calls and when the the draw hits on the river he leads. I laid the hand down but wanted to see if I played it poorly.

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You posted this while I was still writing my earlier reply, so didn't see it until now. I think you played this hand post-flop very well and showed a lot of discipline that many players at low limits lack.

It really looks like he was playing suited/connectors and felt a 30chip bet was worth the risk for getting an early lead. He most likely got lucky on the flop and luckier still when the Ace showed and kept you involved.
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Old 11-07-2005, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

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Do you really only want to pick up the blinds in level 1? If you raise 5x the bb you will get less or no callers.

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Yeah, it's not the worst thing that can happen. You aren't looking to play this against a huge field. AK goes from a strong hand to a difficult hand after the flop about 2/3 of the time, especially OOP against many opponents. I either raise bigger (most of the time) or if reads indicate I'm not likely to limit the field, limp with it. The additional benefit of the raise is that you've taken the lead, so if you take the flop against 1 opponent your continuation bet is more effective than just betting the flop after a limp.

Calling the flop bet is also ideal. Why exactly is he betting into the preflop raiser? Whatever he has, I don't think you're taking him off of it with this raise very frequently. Once the turn brings your ace I think your thinking is fine.

-SonnyJay
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Old 11-07-2005, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

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Raise more preflop. Call the flop bet. Go from there.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said. You don't want a lot of callers, that's the point! Playing AK OOP without any reads against a lot of opponents isn't your ideal situation.
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:02 AM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

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Raise more preflop. Call the flop bet. Go from there.

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Old 11-07-2005, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: big slick early in a 33

So with a AK out of position early you really want to just take the blinds?

The more you raise aren't narrowing the hand range who will call - and possibly leaving only hands you are even or trailing to?
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