3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

AceHiStation · #1 12-09-2005, 01:26 AM

Just sat down, no relevant reads. I'm in a bad downswing... so I could use a quick scolding to help me out.
Thanks,
-Ace

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($1151.13)
Button ($668.73)
Hero ($586.12)
BB ($688.15)
UTG ($185)
MP ($1208.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Button raises to $18, Hero (poster) calls $15, 1 fold, UTG calls $12, MP calls $12.

Flop: ($78) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button bets $75, Hero calls $75, UTG folds, MP calls $75.

Turn: ($303) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $150, Hero calls $150, MP calls $150.

River: ($753) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero calls all-in($343.12), MP calls $343.12, Button folds.

Final Pot: $1439.24

Raven · #2 12-09-2005, 01:32 AM

I wonder why you didnt check-raise the turn all-in ?

scrapperdog · #3 12-09-2005, 01:57 AM

We cant scold you too bad cause we all have done it. Yep the time to end the party is when it gets back to you on the turn. If someone has a set oh well, top 2 is one of those times where a set is gonna make its money.

ansky451 · #4 12-09-2005, 02:10 AM

I'm not a big fan of playing a multi way raised pot with KQo OOP. Other than that, seems odd not to check raise all in on turn.

soah · #5 12-09-2005, 02:14 AM

I really dislike playing multiway raised pots from the sb with KQo.

Bukem_ · #6 12-09-2005, 02:18 AM

I hate to be nitty, but fold preflop, mostly cause your relative position is bad.

I want to make a comment on your postflop play, but once I make it to that turn, I probably go broke too. Not so sure I even cr all in, since MP likely only calls with a set, and might as well attempt to drag him with a potentially worse hand if we are planning to put all the money in anyways.

Flop play is so awkward, and mostly why folding preflop is good.

Was MP one of those 50/5 guys who never raises to protect his hand, and always ends up with higher set over set, and never other way around?

AceHiStation · #7 12-09-2005, 02:21 AM

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I wonder why you didnt check-raise the turn all-in ?

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I felt there were hands I could scare off on the turn that wouldn't suckout by seeing river card.

Raven · #8 12-09-2005, 02:29 AM

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I wonder why you didnt check-raise the turn all-in ?

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I felt there were hands I could scare off on the turn that wouldn't suckout by seeing river card.

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Its just that with 2 opponent there are a lot of backdoor draws that could be there on the turn and the pot is big enough to protect relative to the stack sizes.

I would fold before the flop most of the time also, but I dont think its that much bad to call.

AceHiStation · #9 12-09-2005, 02:48 AM

Dude flipped up 33... looking back it was pretty obvious he had 3s or 5s ... and that was in the back of my mind as I called the turn bet. After I made the preflop call I immediately didn't like it. Got me into a bad situation and I was unable to get away as a result.

Thanks,
-Ace

scrapperdog · #10 12-09-2005, 03:34 AM

I would have been more upset with flat calling turn and having someone suck out with a heart like AQ hearts (I know you had queen but am pretending you did not) or having an ace pop up to help out AK then I would be with paying off a set with top 2. Or even a 3 come to bail out AA. These top 2 hands are hard to get away from. That bet on flop is pretty strong though, maybe get away on flop but once the king came I pay them off. Sounds like your hand reading skills are pretty damn good, dont let the swing get you down.