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Old 12-09-2005, 06:08 AM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

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Old 12-09-2005, 06:47 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

for some reason i interpret MP's second overcall on the flop as being an alarm bell. doesn't look right. something fishy!

that said, your line looks totally backwards. why did you not get your money in on the turn?
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Old 12-09-2005, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

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Dude flipped up 33... looking back it was pretty obvious he had 3s or 5s ... and that was in the back of my mind as I called the turn bet. After I made the preflop call I immediately didn't like it. Got me into a bad situation and I was unable to get away as a result.

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-Ace

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if this is the case, why bet out the river? assume MP is a live one or something to that extent, you will get a bet fired into you a lot with weaker holdings if you check out, but when you make that push you are only getting called by hands that beat you. HU you can get more action, but when you are pushing out 3-handed on the river I would think that players are calling you with a little bit tighter holdings on the $350 bet into the $700 pot, especially so with MP. On the other hand button could fire a third bet with something like AK, since neither you nor MP have given any reason to believe you've got that beat and would call down again with something like QJ.
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Old 12-09-2005, 06:58 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

MPs overcall on that flop is pretty scary. I like to try to lead the turn through him, to see if he likes his hand. I usually like to lead the flop through the limp/caller, cos he often has a PP, and we want to find out if he has a set for cheap (and if button has AK). If you lead flop and it goes, call, raise, then you can bail right there (and you never see the stack-depleting Q on the turn).
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

Am I the only one here that does not usually fold KQ to a 3X on the button in a 6 max? If you wont defend with this hand the button would be correct to constantly raise your blind. Part of this depends on how often the button is raising but if it is a lot, like in many shorthanded games, I defend here. If raiser was early position I pass.
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

Do you still consider it defending if there's two limpers prior to the raiser?

Here, you're not only OOP of the raise, but potentially 2 others as well.
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:57 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

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Am I the only one here that does not usually fold KQ to a 3X on the button in a 6 max? If you wont defend with this hand the button would be correct to constantly raise your blind. Part of this depends on how often the button is raising but if it is a lot, like in many shorthanded games, I defend here. If raiser was early position I pass.

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If you're gonna defend here, reraising preflop is way superior.
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Old 12-09-2005, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

I defend without question, I think these people are crazy.

If you can't defend with KQ against a button raise, what can you defend with.

P.S. I raise to 3xBB if folded to me on the button probably top 50% of hands.
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Old 12-09-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

Are the party 3/6NL games that tight that you guys fold KQ to a button raiser?
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Old 12-09-2005, 01:57 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

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I defend without question, I think these people are crazy.

If you can't defend with KQ against a button raise, what can you defend with.

P.S. I raise to 3xBB if folded to me on the button probably top 50% of hands.

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Your relative position is the reason you fold this hand preflop.
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