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Old 12-29-2005, 12:54 AM
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Default Grinding or fish?

OK, all, just joined this forum and have read many interesting posts. I began playing online at Paradies and Party just about two yeasr ago. Have taken both accounts to $0 at this point and am somewhat frustrated with playing online.

My play is very limited admitedly, like once to twice a week. Playing mostly single table tourneys ay $5 and a few $10 and $25. Very limited cash game NL tables but a few. Then there were a few multi-table tourny $5 and $30 buy-in. All in all seem to hold my own but obvviously have not made money overall.

Over the past year I began playing a live local game. 5 to 7 player tourny style $10 buy in. Usually play 2 to 4 games a night. I stopped playing that about two months ago. Finished even overall there.

Over the past two weeks have visited a local casino and played $1/$1 NL game. Have finished positive a couple hundred in that adventure thus far.

So I know this has been a timid start in comparison to most others in this forum. My question(s) are what do I do know? Any suggestions? I truly love the game for the game and want to take things to higher levels. Do I go get and use the poker stats software to truly analye my play? Do I up the ante and spend more time and/or money (possibly)? any tips, advice, comments, whatever is appreciated.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:04 AM
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1. Become a student of the game, not just a guy who plays poker.

2. Only spend money you can afford to lose (because in the early going, you will).

3. Be persistent.

4. Develop self control.

5. Continue improving your game by reading and studying a lot (see point No. 1).

6. Have fun and relax.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:33 AM
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1. Become a student of the game, not just a guy who plays poker.

2. Only spend money you can afford to lose (because in the early going, you will).

3. Be persistent.

4. Develop self control.

5. Continue improving your game by reading and studying a lot (see point No. 1).

6. Have fun and relax.

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7. Post some key hands here that you weren't sure if you played correctly.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:33 AM
ianlippert ianlippert is offline
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Default Re: Grinding or fish?

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1. Become a student of the game, not just a guy who plays poker.

2. Only spend money you can afford to lose (because in the early going, you will).

3. Be persistent.

4. Develop self control.

5. Continue improving your game by reading and studying a lot (see point No. 1).

6. Have fun and relax.

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7. Win!
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: Grinding or fish?

Don't get frustrated early. Contrary to what some people will have you believe, the vast majority of people (even here) lost money at first. I personally lost money for about a year, and got frustrated. Then I found 2+2, and started reading. Went thru the various stages of poker growth and eventually got my $0.50/1.00 winrate online to over 7 BB/100 before I moved up. (I know.. I should have moved up earlier, but I needed a bankroll and confidence which that gave me), and I played well over 50K hands at $0.50/1.00, most of them without pokertracker.

So keep trying, keep reading, keep studying, and don't get discouraged. Poker is a negative reinforcement game. Pocket A's only win 30% or so of the time against a full table of 10 calling all the way to the river. So even though you do the RIGHT thing, you still lose 70% of the time in that scenario. While the guy doing the wrong thing playing with 3/5 off is flopping a straight.
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OK, all, just joined this forum and have read many interesting posts. I began playing online at Paradies and Party just about two yeasr ago. Have taken both accounts to $0 at this point and am somewhat frustrated with playing online.

My play is very limited admitedly, like once to twice a week. Playing mostly single table tourneys ay $5 and a few $10 and $25. Very limited cash game NL tables but a few. Then there were a few multi-table tourny $5 and $30 buy-in. All in all seem to hold my own but obvviously have not made money overall.

Over the past year I began playing a live local game. 5 to 7 player tourny style $10 buy in. Usually play 2 to 4 games a night. I stopped playing that about two months ago. Finished even overall there.

Over the past two weeks have visited a local casino and played $1/$1 NL game. Have finished positive a couple hundred in that adventure thus far.

So I know this has been a timid start in comparison to most others in this forum. My question(s) are what do I do know? Any suggestions? I truly love the game for the game and want to take things to higher levels. Do I go get and use the poker stats software to truly analye my play? Do I up the ante and spend more time and/or money (possibly)? any tips, advice, comments, whatever is appreciated.

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Old 12-29-2005, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: Grinding or fish?

Just hang around here (2+2) on a regular basis.

If you don't learn to win with the info and help that's available here- there's little else to try.

That's my plan anyway. I know very little about poker so far, but I DO know that there's a lot of (very helpful) people on here that know an awful lot about it.

Study, read, contribute, practise.

From the little I've learnt so far, poker has to be one of the most frustrating games (if you're trying to beat it). I think it's the frustration that gets to most people first.

The guys on here are testement to the fact that perseverence can win through.


Regards,
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:35 PM
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Dear God:

I spent a year floundering around on micro limits at UB (I won $2.50 on a jackpot hand on a free table back when they had jackpots). I got it as high as $85 and then was back down around $10 2 weeks later. I had read 1 book and figured I could beat the game... WRONG!

The above poster that said be a student of the game is dead on. If you want to beat the game you have to learn how to beat the game. It can be done. The on-line games are filled with guys/gals like I used to be. They suck. But you have to understand how they suck and what to do to exploit their suckiness. Buy/borrow/getfromLibrary books that will teach you the game. Read these forums. Pick 1 form of poker (Limit hold 'em? NL Hold 'Em? SingleTableTournyHold'Em? 7 card stud?) and become VERY VERY good at it. Then expand.

1 year after floundering I'm playing 3/6 6-max with rakeback and bonus and making some extra money every month. I still suck have tons to learn, I just suck less.

Good Luck to you sir!
Humbly,
FishNChips
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: Grinding or fish?

if you are losing you should probably play higher limits to make up for your loss
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:52 AM
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um i think he would want to do the opposite maybe go into a lower limit and practice then move up with a right bankroll .... moving up higher limit he will just loose more by the fact he will be getting outplayed more
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