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Old 12-21-2005, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

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I think some players who made their way through the micro's and low limit 2-3 years ago, have a warped sense of what 2/4 is actually like now.



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Nice post.

My winrate at 1/2 was 3.4BB/100 over a 60k hand sample. I had moved down from 2/4 in september. I moved up to 2/4 again this month and over 40k hands my winrate is about .8bb/100. OUCH. bad month. However I think most good players should look to be making 1.5 to 2.5BB/100 over a 100k sample.
I'm sure the percentage of players who make over 2.5BB/100 is very small. I am refering to winrates at PP btw. The ability to 10 table has significantly reduced the ease of games at the lower stakes. In the summer, when I was playing 2/4, my winrate was probably around 3bb/100. However I did not have PT then.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:06 PM
imported_stealthcow imported_stealthcow is offline
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

there is one poster on this board who 8 tables 2/4 for somewhere between 3-4bb/100. he says he has well over 100k hands at that winrate.

one of my housemates 8 tabled 2/4 this fall for a ridiculous winrate over somewhere around 25k hands. although 25k hands is nothing, he is very confident that with good table selecction and decent play its entirely possible to maintain a winrate around 2-2.5bb/100 (on the low side). keep in mind also that someone who 8 tables cannot concentrate nearly as much as a 4 tabler, so i would expect both my housemate and the other 2p2er would have better stats if they played less tables.

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Old 12-21-2005, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

I know quite a few solid 2/4 grindiers. Including myself back in the day. Long term, over 100K hands, we all ended up with 1.5-2bb/100.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:09 PM
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I've played 172,803 $2-4 LHE Full hands at various rooms for 3.15bb/100. This was mostly in 2003/2004. I moved up to $3-6 LHE Full and ran at 2.29bb/100 over my first 142K ...in my last 39K hands of $3-6 Full I've run horrificly @1.20bb/100. Just to show you how random even 100K/150K samples are..I also ran poorly at $5-10 LHE Full @~1.00bb/100 which in the long run was all for the best becuase it forced me to focus on my best games short NLHE and short LHE. I cant play full tables any more unless the games are great..

You pay considerably less rake in $2-4 and the games are looser. In 2003/04 I think 3.00/3.50 was sustainable now I think 2.25-2.75 is more realistic.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

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there is one poster on this board who 8 tables 2/4 for somewhere between 3-4bb/100. he says he has well over 100k hands at that winrate.

one of my housemates 8 tabled 2/4 this fall for a ridiculous winrate over somewhere around 25k hands. although 25k hands is nothing, he is very confident that with good table selecction and decent play its entirely possible to maintain a winrate around 2-2.5bb/100 (on the low side). keep in mind also that someone who 8 tables cannot concentrate nearly as much as a 4 tabler, so i would expect both my housemate and the other 2p2er would have better stats if they played less tables.

stealthcow-

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If you are making 3-4BB/100 at 2/4 why the hell would you ever play 100k hands at that level? I only played 30k hands at 2/4 where I was at 1.8BB/100 before I moved up. Rake is a serious factor at these levels.

I think winrate is very much overvalued, and that people seem to incorrectly think you need to reach a certain winrate before moving up. I've played 250k hands combined of .5/1 to my current 15/30 and I have never beat any limit for much more than 2BB/100.

Say your winrate is 2BB/100 after bonuses/rakeback. You 4-table and put in 250 hands/hour. This would put your hourly income at around $20.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:17 PM
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I'm at 1.33 BB/100 at 2/4 for 30K hands and 1.53 BB/100 at 3/6 for 17K hands. Definitely room for improvement compared to others on this board, but I'm satisfied since all hands were played with some kind of bonus or rakeback incentive.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

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I think some players who made their way through the micro's and low limit 2-3 years ago, have a warped sense of what 2/4 is actually like now.



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Nice post.

My winrate at 1/2 was 3.4BB/100 over a 60k hand sample. I had moved down from 2/4 in september. I moved up to 2/4 again this month and over 40k hands my winrate is about .8bb/100. OUCH. bad month. However I think most good players should look to be making 1.5 to 2.5BB/100 over a 100k sample.
I'm sure the percentage of players who make over 2.5BB/100 is very small. I am refering to winrates at PP btw. The ability to 10 table has significantly reduced the ease of games at the lower stakes. In the summer, when I was playing 2/4, my winrate was probably around 3bb/100. However I did not have PT then.

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I've got to agree with this. I've been playing in the 2/4 games for about a year now and they aren't as soft as they were. When I first moved up a year ago from 1/2 full I actually found the 2/4 games softer(fewer bonus whores multitabling). I don't think that's the case any longer.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

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I think some players who made their way through the micro's and low limit 2-3 years ago, have a warped sense of what 2/4 is actually like now.



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Nice post.

My winrate at 1/2 was 3.4BB/100 over a 60k hand sample. I had moved down from 2/4 in september. I moved up to 2/4 again this month and over 40k hands my winrate is about .8bb/100. OUCH. bad month. However I think most good players should look to be making 1.5 to 2.5BB/100 over a 100k sample.
I'm sure the percentage of players who make over 2.5BB/100 is very small. I am refering to winrates at PP btw. The ability to 10 table has significantly reduced the ease of games at the lower stakes. In the summer, when I was playing 2/4, my winrate was probably around 3bb/100. However I did not have PT then.

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I've got to agree with this. I've been playing in the 2/4 games for about a year now and they aren't as soft as they were. When I first moved up a year ago from 1/2 full I actually found the 2/4 games softer(fewer bonus whores multitabling). I don't think that's the case any longer.

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I have played quite a bit at both levels (40K each or so) and switch back and forth regularly. I am of the opinion that 1/2 full is tougher than 2/4 full - the 6max games make all the difference to the players playing 1/2 full (or 9max). I am running a 2BB/100 at 1/2 and 3.5/100 at 2/4 (four tabling both), though both aren't quite the sample size I'd like to hang my hat on.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

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I think a truely great player could probably make 3bb/100.

I also think that most people can never get that good nomatter how much they practice and how much they study.

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Old 12-22-2005, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: Averge BB/hr rate for a \"good\" player- $2/4 limit games???

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I think a truely great player could probably make 3bb/100.

Do you mean in 2/4 or limit in general?

I also think that most people can never get that good nomatter how much they practice and how much they study.

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I dont know. I think anybody who applies themselves can grind out 3BB/100. IMO anyway

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I doubt it...games have gotten too tight for that IMO. I've got a few thousand hours of live play now and I have estimated a winrate of 3.5BB/100 based win rate and hands per hour. This is mostly at 10/20. I just don't think its sustainable even at the 2/4 level. IMO, there is a huge drop-off in BB/100 from 1/2 to 2/4...bigger than any middle limit drop.
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