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Old 12-19-2005, 03:31 PM
Ed Miller Ed Miller is offline
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Im not sure if you an wrong or the dealer was wrong. But the way doug told it was exactly how it happened. my guess is that they allow it if you are new to the table or something, it makes sense that you wouldnt be able to do it every time.

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They are supposed to allow it any time, new to the table or not. (And no pit game that I know of would ever have a rule exception for "new to the table.") You can't put a don't pass bet after the point is rolled. But yes, you can put a pass line bet after the point is rolled. The guy who said you couldn't was wrong.
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:45 PM
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On the come out roll, the player (for that roll alone!) is an 8:4 favorite (8 ways to win, 4 to lose).

Now, the player is a big favorite (when betting the pass line) on the come out roll. This means that they MUST be a big dog on the following rolls (after the point is established).

So, if a player wants to bet on the pass line AFTER the come out roll, the house will GLADLY take their action. It's a fairly stupid (i.e. drunk) maneuver, but definitely allowed.

Next time you play blackjack and get dealt a blackjack, and the dealer shows a 6, ask the dealer/pitboss if you can take even money. I bet they let you.

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Old 12-19-2005, 08:01 PM
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In a decent place, they will treat it as a place bet.
They will represent this by sliding the bet back until it is on the back boundry of the pass line.
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:15 AM
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The pass line is a contract bet, so once you put $ down - it has to stay. You can add to it. This is usually done when you want more odds. The reverse is true of the don't pass line, you can pull money off at any time - however, you cannot put the money back once the original has been pulled off.

The reasoning is this; On the come-out roll, money on the pass line is a favorite over money on the don't pass line. Once a point is established, money on the pass line is the underdog vs. money on the don't pass line. The 7 will come out more frequently than any other number. So they want money on the pass line at all times.

As far as walking up to a table in the middle of the roll, you can place the point using the pass line. The money is offset, using the line nearest you. However, you could just put money on the pass line - but that makes no sense. Suppose you walk up to a $10 table, and the point is 9. You put $20 on the pass line. If the 9 is hit, you win even money. However, if you place it using the pass line - you will receive $28 or $29 (depending on the casino).

As a side-note, when I was in Tunica for the WPO - I saw for the first time, a crapless crap game. 2, 3, 11 and 12 COULD be your point. It was quite disgusting if you ask me, I saw noone hit a 2, 3, 11, or 12 once they established it!
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:46 PM
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As a side-note, when I was in Tunica for the WPO - I saw for the first time, a crapless crap game. 2, 3, 11 and 12 COULD be your point. It was quite disgusting if you ask me, I saw noone hit a 2, 3, 11, or 12 once they established it!


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This game has been around for over a decade at least. I played it at the Stratosphere in 1995.

I have seen those points made.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:50 PM
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In a decent place, they will treat it as a place bet.
They will represent this by sliding the bet back until it is on the back boundry of the pass line.

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this sounds correct
once upon a time i was a craps dealer, but sadly i cant recall the rules on this. i recall that if somebody wanted to do this we would tell them it would be wise to make a place bet but i dont know if there was a "rule".in the end, i believe you cant walk up and make a pass line bet when theres already a point. if im correct, i think the reason for this is that depending on the allowable table odds, the house can get beat out of money when a player would take odds (examplelacing $100 5 pays $140, $10 pass line and $90 odds pays $145).
somebody tell me if this makes any sense

btw, rolling a 7 is never called "crapping out" as far as i know?
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:28 AM
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my guess is that they allow it if you are new to the table or something, it makes sense that you wouldnt be able to do it every time.

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lmfao
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:06 PM
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In a decent place, they will treat it as a place bet.
They will represent this by sliding the bet back until it is on the back boundry of the pass line.

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this sounds correct
once upon a time i was a craps dealer , but sadly i cant recall the rules on this. i recall that if somebody wanted to do this we would tell them it would be wise to make a place bet but i dont know if there was a "rule".in the end, i believe you cant walk up and make a pass line bet when theres already a point. if im correct, i think the reason for this is that depending on the allowable table odds, the house can get beat out of money when a player would take odds (examplelacing $100 5 pays $140, $10 pass line and $90 odds pays $145).
somebody tell me if this makes any sense

btw, rolling a 7 is never called "crapping out" as far as i know?

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Old 12-21-2005, 02:31 PM
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In a decent place, they will treat it as a place bet.
They will represent this by sliding the bet back until it is on the back boundry of the pass line.

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this sounds correct
once upon a time i was a craps dealer , but sadly i cant recall the rules on this. i recall that if somebody wanted to do this we would tell them it would be wise to make a place bet but i dont know if there was a "rule".in the end, i believe you cant walk up and make a pass line bet when theres already a point. if im correct, i think the reason for this is that depending on the allowable table odds, the house can get beat out of money when a player would take odds (examplelacing $100 5 pays $140, $10 pass line and $90 odds pays $145).
somebody tell me if this makes any sense

btw, rolling a 7 is never called "crapping out" as far as i know?

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Old 12-21-2005, 06:50 PM
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You worked as a dealer and you don't understand the rules. I haven't played in years, but can still tell you that:

1. You can make a pass line bet at any time, but may not remove a pass line bet once the point is established.
2. The odds bet is always a neutral EV bet and the pass line is a -EV bet for the player once the point is established, and should therefore always be welcomed regardless of # of times odds allowed by the house. You are correct though that placing would be even more advantageous.

I take it back about working at my company though. We have plenty of people who do a good job, even though they don't understand the reasons behind their job functions.

I know, I'm being a smartass. No harm meant.
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