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07-24-2005, 01:36 AM
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Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
Loose 2/5 game @ Trump in Gary, Indiana. Hero has ~700. Main Villain (BB) has ~ 300. Six way limped pot, Hero has As3s on the button.
Villain is solid for this game, I haven't seen him do anything tricky. He sees too many flops but since he's BB that isn't really relevant here. Pretty tight postflop. I'm seen him make two large bets and both times he showed down a good made hand. As the BB he could literally have anything. Flop is 4s 3d 2s. BB bets 25. While I'm trying to decide how much to raise, MP goes allin for 50. Everyone else folds. I decide to call, thinking that I now have to make my hand to win and would rather let BB come along. Good? Bad? BB comes over the top for 100 more. I think he needs at least two pair to make this bet, especially given the allin player. Maybe 55 and I suppose a naked middle pair is possible. It's an idiotic semibluff if it is one, and I don't think he's an idiot. JJ or better unlikely given preflop. There is 280 in the pot, I'm in position, have somewhere between 9 and 17 outs, and almost certainly no FE. He has about 130 left, Which probably goes in on a blank turn. Push/Call/Fold? 
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#3
07-24-2005, 02:19 AM
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Re: Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
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allin...yawn... [/ QUOTE ] If that's all you are going to say, why respond at all? To look smart to everyone else who knows how obvious it is? It isn't obvious to me. If I go allin I am betting ~ 230 to win ~640. I only have ten outs against a set and nine against a straight, plus a set has a redraw. No one is obligated to help me learn, but yawning is pointless.
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07-24-2005, 06:06 AM
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Re: Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
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07-24-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
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[ QUOTE ] It isn't obvious to me. [/ QUOTE ] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...rd=ssplnlpoker [/ QUOTE ] There are a ton of live 2-5 hands posted in this forum. It is also the forum I usually read. I suppose 2-5 is the crossover betweem SS and MS. I do ok in that game and hope to improve enough to play the 5-10 at the same casino soon enough, so why would I choose SS forum?
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#8
07-24-2005, 01:56 PM
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Re: Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
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If youre calling 230 to win 630 you have correct odds against a set. You only have 10 outs vs a made 5 high straight. A made 6 high straight leaves you with just about correct odds. [/ QUOTE ] This gets exactly at the thing I don't understand. I'm not calling 230, I'm calling 100 and betting the last 130 myself. If I am sure he's going to call, I only want to raise when that last 130 is going in against a hand I am favored against. But I am .368 v 44, .383 v 22, .423 v A5, .394 v. 65 (slightly worse against straight if he holds a spade), and a slight favorite against 2 pair (.51 to .55 depending on whether he has a 3). I understand the basic principle of getting it all-in with two cards to come to avoid having to deal with a blank turn and to guarantee getting paid when you hit. But it seems that here I am making a large bet (the 130) as an underdog. Calling doesn't seem great either, since I may or may not be getting immediate odds and he's likely to bet a blank turn. Folding seems wrong too. If someone explains to me why my thinking is flawed, I'll listen. I don't post very many hands because I don't play enough that seem interesting enough. This was a hand where I didn't know what to do at the time, think I probably made the wrong play, and I think I could learn from thinking about it and hearing from other players. I thought that was what the forum was here for.
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#9
07-24-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
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allin...yawn... [/ QUOTE ] This is really really easy. It seems you aren't comfortable having the much money in on a draw, even a damn good draw.
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#10
07-24-2005, 05:12 PM
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Re: Live 2/5 Pair + Straight Flush Draw.
Hi,
You said it yourself, you have no fold equity so his last $130 is going into the pot now or on the turn. So you'd rather it went in the flop since on the turn your could be drawing to just your str8 flush outs which would make the turn call of $130 to win $630 a bad call. Your also forgetting some other hands he could have 42/43/32 or a pair of 5's. I think the suggestion to read the Small Stakes NL forum was due to the somewhat basic nature of your question. Once you call that money is no longer yours. You have to pretend your playing some weird table game where there is going to be a pay off $630 and you have to bet $230 to win it Later, MarkV.
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