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#31 10-24-2005, 10:22 AM

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Well, for what it's worth, it cannot be DISproven mathematically like betting progressions.

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Excuse me?

#32 10-24-2005, 10:26 AM

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I really am surprised at the people on this site for having such a strong opinion against precision shooting without enough information to form an educated opinion. Seriously, I'd think people at this website would be attracted to the possibility that craps may be beatable and would jump at the chance to learn how and see for themselves if it's for real. But the reaction to precision shooting is as if we're talking about the Martingale. If you need mathematical, recorded proof, the book Get the Edge at Craps by Scoblete has a lot of mathematical information on this subject, which comes from thousands of recorded throws of the dice. That is the only book I've read on it. My other experience was the weekend seminar, and it was enough to make me a believer.

You guys should at least read a couple books on the subject before you decide how you feel about precision shooting. Especially with the current blackjack conditions and the fact that craps is DAMN fun, the players are cooler, the dealers are cooler and more competant, it's something worth checking out.

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This is the exact reason you are a bone head. Since you are too dumb to research why, it will cost you $20 for me to waste my time in telling why it won't work. Are you in a time warp???

I'm waiting to hear you come back and say how much money you have made. Clue #2 There are no professional craps players in the World, period!

Double Down · #33 10-24-2005, 07:08 PM

To Pokereveryday, I want to extend my thanks to you for helping me see the light in my boneheaded ways. Instead of providing such ludicrous and time wasting things such as evidence, you have provided something much more valuable, which is your OPINION! And what an opinion! It's strong, passionate, and steadfast.

And to those who would say, "Well at least give us a reason as to why you feel this way," well to them you have made the bold stand that you DO have evidence, but it is going to cost $20.00 to get it. This truly is proof enough. If your reasons are worth twenty bucks, then they MUST be substantial and worthy indeed! And your confidence in this endeavor for a 20 piece has made a believer out of me. Everyone, open your windows and let it be known unto the world, "Precision shooting has been disproven! A $20 opinion says so! Huzzah!"

And while some weak and jealous hippies might call charging for your knowledge selfish, I applaud your capitalistic and "+EV" approach. It sickens me how EVERYONE on this site just gives information away for free and helps each other out like a bunch of selfless morons. But YOU have the courage, nay, the tenacity, to exploit such a flawed system for your own financial gain and ego. I commend you, sir, and judging on the direction you are headed, I look forward to seeing your name on the ballot.

Pokereveryday in '08!

PokerCat69 · #34 10-25-2005, 01:12 AM

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I cannot believe I'm hearing this!

Is there no end to people thinking they can beat an unbeatable game? Casino owners really love you guys.

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WTF do you hang around here?
We all play poker and win money, and some of us also enjoy other casino games. This is the reason for this forum. If you think all casino games cannot be beaten, why do you read these threads?

PokerCat69 · #35 10-25-2005, 02:46 AM

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If this isn't cheating though, why would anybody attract any heat? Since it isn't cheating, why hasn't anybody moved up in limits and is now crushing whatever the biggest game available is?

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Why can't I sit at a Blackjack game and bet $5 on Negative counts, and $500 on positive?
Its not cheating, but the casinos will give you the boot.

#36 10-25-2005, 03:10 AM

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I cannot believe I'm hearing this!

Is there no end to people thinking they can beat an unbeatable game? Casino owners really love you guys.

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WTF do you hang around here?
We all play poker and win money, and some of us also enjoy other casino games. This is the reason for this forum. If you think all casino games cannot be beaten, why do you read these threads?

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Mostly for the poker because poker can be beat which is why I play it. It's one thing to ask how to play or what is the best way to play the game in question but to think an unbeatable game can be beat is just stupid and I'm going to tell you about it.

So why are you so concerned with defending chumps on this site that only plague this board???

BlindingLaser · #37 10-25-2005, 04:51 PM

His claim was that part of why this is such a good gig is that there's such light heat on it. You would think that if there's such relatively light heat on it, and it's still considered "voodoo" or whatever by the powers that be, why wouldn't people go crush the big limit games at this?

hotsauce615 · #38 10-26-2005, 04:35 PM

Ok im going to give a brief history of my experiences. I had this friend, which most of have had, and we're always joking and plotting ways to make money. Several years ago we're in Barne's and Noble and come across sharp shooters book and before we knew it we built a mockup in my friends garage and would spend friday nights boozing and practicing control. Well the alcohol didnt help and once moneymaker won the wsop I switched from hilow to holdem and have been playing hard ever since. My friend however stuck with the sharpshooting for several years. I can say with reservations that he bangs out many many more numbers than the average person. We've taken maybe 30 trips to casinos since we've been 21 and have played for upwards of 8 hours at a time. While that isn't the biggest sample I can say we've been doing good using John Patrick's 6&8 regression strats and some custom tailored ones to our rolls. I suck, but he's got the roll going well for him.

On the topic of casino's caring, they don't, unless your housing them. If anything you bring excitement to the table. Also don't be a bore, we tend to be loud and fun when we go. Anyway PM me if you want me to reccomend the book that REALLY spawned all this and I consider the end all be all book on the subject.

bodie · #39 11-08-2005, 03:16 PM

I'm curious about precision shooting. It seems as if you got really good at it that perhaps it could increase the odds of being able to roll longer.
It seems like it would take a lot of hours to get that smooth at it though. Do you think the average person can ever really achieve that skill?

Double Down · #40 11-08-2005, 08:29 PM

Because of all of the attacks on me last time for bringing up precision shooting, I will keep this short. Get the Edge at Craps by Sharpshooter is a good book on the subject. For more info, PM me.