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11-16-2005, 10:04 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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[ QUOTE ] River: (t150) 8 (3 players) Hero checks, MP1 bets t50, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t150, MP1 raises to t325, Hero pushes [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] why? what hand is calling that we beat? 
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11-16-2005, 10:12 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
blinds 10/15
probably 11/22's AQ, JJ, to start with.
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#3
11-16-2005, 10:37 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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blinds 10/15 probably 11/22's AQ, JJ, to start with. [/ QUOTE ] MP1 - hero SB - villian - "hero" AQ/JJ open limping from MP, doubtful - "hero" AQ/JJ checking behind 4way on a SD flop, certainly not the AQ - "hero" AQ/JJ value betting the turn, ok (if we got past the PF/flop irregularities) RIVER: "villian" c/r'd... What is hero trying to accomplish with 3betting here? For value? -- what hands would "villian" call with that are behind... --- AQ: a weaker Q? a 2? --- JJ: a 2? -- what hands would "villian" be ahead of us here, yet fold... ---AQ: trips? a boat? ---JJ: a Q, trips, a boat? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The only possible situation I can dream up here to support pushing over the top (for our hero) would be... True Villain: 99-JJ.....PRAYING our hero has checked TP on flop, check-called TP on turn, check-raised TP on river. Our hero has no business pushing this river IMO. If I had to guess, he lost to bigger trips or a boat.
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#4
11-16-2005, 10:44 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
Probably lost to 2's full IMO. But then again we don't know the stakes, it's an 800 stacker so villains play(results notwithstanding) probably questionable.
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#5
11-16-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
goodness i just noticed that was a check raise you made on the river. thats awful. dont ever check raise there. can only get you in trouble, because you make a worse hand fold and a better one reraise. bet the river. period. holla
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#6
11-16-2005, 10:56 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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goodness i just noticed that was a check raise you made on the river. thats awful. dont ever check raise there. can only get you in trouble, because you make a worse hand fold and a better one reraise. bet the river. period. holla [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] FPS [/ QUOTE ] yeah.
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#8
11-16-2005, 11:08 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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i prefer to call it DPS [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla [/ QUOTE ] well i dont know if you noticed raptor, but i DID have a feeling. oh, and since i feel like i now know how this hand should have gone (maybe a small bet on a turn, and a bet/call on the river), here are the results: villian shows 77 for sevens full. rigged.
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#9
11-16-2005, 11:09 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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[ QUOTE ] i prefer to call it DPS [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla [/ QUOTE ] well i dont know if you noticed raptor, but i DID have a feeling. oh, and since i feel like i now know how this hand should have gone (maybe a small bet on a turn, and a bet/call on the river), here are the results: villian shows 77 for sevens full. rigged. [/ QUOTE ] yer lucky the villian played his hand about as bad as possible [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla
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#10
11-17-2005, 04:46 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
Thinking about my last post I realised it was a pile of poop.
I thought about the hand again. Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] a drawing hand in the SB. He couldn't be more OOP. First consideration when you get a hand is it's possible strengths and weaknesses. If you should play the hand, why, and what are you looking for ? with this hand you want to hit the flop hard. Period. you want at least two pair/flush/straight draw. Second consideration. Position. If you folded here it would probably be soft but not bad. For 5 chips though its worth the gamble. The flop. No good. You have a weak pair, no real kicker and no real draw to speak of. You have achieved none of the objectives this hand requires for optimal play. You are now looking to a) dump the hand - check/fold or b) try and steal the 75 chips in the pot - bet/fold Turn - assumes you have chosen option a - hence you should fold. You have no reason to call here. Fold. If you want to continue in the hand you should raise if only so you're not operating in the vacuum you're currently in. River - You shouldn't be here knowing as little as you do about the other players hands unless you want to throw some more chips down the drain.
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