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#31
11-02-2005, 12:41 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
Hi betgo, thanks for replying in detail. I know you know most of what I will say, I don't intend to patronize.
Firstly, having 77 is not the same as having 55 (or 22) as you say in response to another post, even if no-one calls with less than 99. An example is a board like JJ662, here Hero would be happy with 7's. Secondly, assuming calling ranges are always only assumptions. Sometimes people make surprisingly donkish calls and then it's nice to have a better hand. Thirdly, at a full table with 8 players behind Hero I think your numbers are slightly off. I agree it's very close but I think it's -CEV. In any case, you might be right, I know very little about multi-tour dynamics. But in the sng world coinflips are rarely to Hero's advantage unless he is very short stacked. 
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#32
11-02-2005, 12:47 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
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ATs in late position? = Push AJs in early position? = Probably Push AJs in late position? = Push AQs in early position? = Push AQs in late position? = Raise/Push AKo/s in early position? = Push AKo/s in late position? = Raise/Push 22-88 in early position? Fold/Limp 22-88 in late position? Push 99-JJ in early position? Push 99-JJ in late position? Raise/Push QQ-AA in early position? Raise QQ=AA in late position? Raise of course, table image/table flow/reads could change all of that. but i think those are my defaults. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you. This is basically what I wanted. As always, Exit, you're a tremendous help.
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#33
11-02-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] ATs in late position? = Push AJs in early position? = Probably Push AJs in late position? = Push AQs in early position? = Push AQs in late position? = Raise/Push AKo/s in early position? = Push AKo/s in late position? = Raise/Push 22-88 in early position? Fold/Limp 22-88 in late position? Push 99-JJ in early position? Push 99-JJ in late position? Raise/Push QQ-AA in early position? Raise QQ=AA in late position? Raise of course, table image/table flow/reads could change all of that. but i think those are my defaults. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you. This is basically what I wanted. As always, Exit, you're a tremendous help. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but why can't you figure this stuff out on your own? The original post made me so frustrated. Why do you need cut and dry ways to play hands? IT WILL turn you into a bot, and no, you can't beat MTTs by playing like a bot. I don't think you can beat any poker game by being a bot. It's obvious you're looking for the easy way out. Don't take this as a personal attack on you, because it could have been anybody. However, I've been lurking here for awhile now, and I'm tired of people trying to skip the actual "thinking" part of poker, which is the most important part.
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#34
11-02-2005, 01:19 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
[ QUOTE ]
ATs in late position? = Push AJs in early position? = Probably Push AJs in late position? = Push AQs in early position? = Push AQs in late position? = Raise/Push AKo/s in early position? = Push AKo/s in late position? = Raise/Push 22-88 in early position? Fold/Limp 22-88 in late position? Push 99-JJ in early position? Push 99-JJ in late position? Raise/Push QQ-AA in early position? Raise QQ=AA in late position? Raise of course, table image/table flow/reads could change all of that. but i think those are my defaults. [/ QUOTE ] As I discussed, I think 22-88 in early position may be a push, and I don't like limping with it. AA in early position could be a limp. I might also limp with AK in early position with no ante if I thought someone was going to raise. It is also possible to push with AA-QQ from early position if people are expecting you to push and might be suspicious of a raise or limp.
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#35
11-02-2005, 06:43 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
i can't believe that at no point in this thread was it even mentioned if there's antees.
IMO, if you ever openpush with 11-14BB in a no-antee game, then you're playing scared poker. i really don't even think that pushing with 10x BB is optimal very often with no antees.
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#36
11-02-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
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i can't believe that at no point in this thread was it even mentioned if there's antees. IMO, if you ever openpush with 11-14BB in a no-antee game, then you're playing scared poker. i really don't even think that pushing with 10x BB is optimal very often with no antees. [/ QUOTE ] that is terrible advice, there are plenty of situations where you want to acoid showdowns and pushing is the right play with 10-15x
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#37
11-02-2005, 07:19 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
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[ QUOTE ] i can't believe that at no point in this thread was it even mentioned if there's antees. IMO, if you ever openpush with 11-14BB in a no-antee game, then you're playing scared poker. i really don't even think that pushing with 10x BB is optimal very often with no antees. [/ QUOTE ] that is terrible advice, there are plenty of situations where you want to acoid showdowns and pushing is the right play with 10-15x [/ QUOTE ]
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#38
11-02-2005, 07:22 PM
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Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??
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that is terrible advice, there are plenty of situations where you want to acoid showdowns and pushing is the right play with 10-15x [/ QUOTE ] ok. sorry. i'll never post anymore "terrible" advice
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