I feel lost again

Guy Incognito · #1 04-18-2005, 10:46 PM

PFR is 26/15/1.6
Villain is 34/6/.8

Not really sure about my action on every street (well, except the turn, would have folded to a bet)

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

River: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Harv72b · #2 04-18-2005, 10:55 PM

I play it the same thru the turn. I check the river and call an UTG bet + CO fold, fold to a bet otherwise. I'm expecting CO to be hanging in with a pocket pair, which by definition beats your hand.

I don't like betting the river at all, as I can't see very many people calling with a hand you beat.

Guy Incognito · #3 04-18-2005, 11:21 PM

Good call, CO had 55. I guess I was more focused on UTG's hand (I'm guessing AQ-AT) and figured I'd try and represent a 7 or weak K when the turn got checked through, and hope he'd fold a hand like that.

Also wanted to make sure I was correct in calling the raise in the BB, and closing the action on the flop with the bottom pair + backdoor flush.

Webster · #4 04-18-2005, 11:32 PM

I'm out of that hand on the flop - you have nothing and are going against an aggressive UTG. Unless you KNOW the guy you have to think that he has better then A2.

you have nothing - You can't count 2s as an out because even if you get 1 you have a good chance of losing ANYWAY, you don't have a flush draw. you CAN get an Ace for 3 outs but the pot is way way to small to continue.

No brainer - fold the puppy. Choose your battles - don't let them choose you.

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closing the action on the flop with the bottom pair + backdoor flush.

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That was wrong - however - calling the raise preflop was OK.

Think about it - why would you call the pre-flop raise - you are looking for a flush draw OR an Ace right? You did not get either. What you got was a tease that even if you hit - you might lose.

Stack · #5 04-18-2005, 11:44 PM

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Choose your battles - don't let them choose you.

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I like it.

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I don't like it. What makes you thing he will loose if he hits another 2? I don't see any danger on that flop for trip 2s.

Getting 9:1 on the flop, for me a call is a no brainer.

Harv72b · #6 04-18-2005, 11:45 PM

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I'm out of that hand on the flop - you have nothing and are going against an aggressive UTG. Unless you KNOW the guy you have to think that he has better then A2.you have nothing - You can't count 2s as an out because even if you get 1 you have a good chance of losing ANYWAY, you don't have a flush draw. you CAN get an Ace for 3 outs but the pot is way way to small to continue.

No brainer - fold the puppy. Choose your battles - don't let them choose you.

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Did you miss that Hero paired his 2 on the flop?

PokerProdigy · #7 04-19-2005, 12:05 AM

Your play looks fine IMO, except for the river. Why bet the river? This looks like a classic case where you'll be called or raised when beat, but they'll fold if they're beat. Therefore, this is the perfect situation to check/call because it may induce a bluff.

Webster · #8 04-19-2005, 07:06 AM

Well - Mason talks about 2's and it's happened to me more then once. Perhaps I am more conservative with 2s then most or perhaps I've see 2s more times then is normal. OR - perhaps I'm, a weanie.

All I see is a hand where many things can go wrong and I don't like being the chaser HOPEING to hit a hand. I would rather be the aggressor HOPEING to hit a hand and that ain't going to happen.

The river bet - check/call.

By betting you risk being raised, You have to think you are 2nd so betting you will either be raised OR called. Either way you lose 1 bet.

Ify ou check you will STILL need to call a bet but take the raise out of the problem and MAYBE it'll be checked and you can save a bet.

Ass Master · #9 04-19-2005, 07:15 AM

Preflop and flop were fine IMO. On the flop your hand should be worth at least 5 outs if you include the backdoor flush draw, and so getting 10:1 while closing the action makes it an easy call.

I don't see the point in the river bet since I think if you're called then you're probably beat, and your bet will not get a better hand to fold.

MCS · #10 04-19-2005, 08:33 AM

Blah. Don't feel happy calling preflop but I do it.

Flop play is fine because you have five outs which should be basically clean, plus the backdoor flush draw. No reason to raise.

Hooray for the turn being checked through.

I don't like the river bet at all. What hand that beats you is folding? What hand that you beat is calling? Like Harv72b, I check and call if UTG bets and CO folds; otherwise, I fold.