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Old 07-07-2005, 02:45 AM
James Lang James Lang is offline
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Default KK in the BB with 3 other players

MP1 is Tight, SB is Aggressive/stealing blinds frequently. Is this the correct amount to raise? Do I want to chase those two out of the hand preflop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t51753)
CO (t2660)
Button (t23896)
SB (t12460)
Hero (t21667)
UTG (t19680)
UTG+1 (t21926)
MP1 (t40735)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t2000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t2560</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t1560, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10000</font>

Also, here's another hand, BB has been pretty tight.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) converter

BB (t55053)
UTG (t45281)
UTG+1 (t3970)
MP1 (t21900)
Hero (t28187)
CO (t7680)
Button (t41852)
SB (t36335)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t6000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t20000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:52 PM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: KK in the BB with 3 other players

Hand 1:

Basically this is a pot with 3 limpers. I would focus on building a side pot with 1 customer. A pot size raise is too much in my mind. I would raise to T7000 which would make the sidepot T7000 with one player and T10,500 with two.

Hand 2:
It's very read dependent.

Against a tight player its a heartbreaking hand. He's really asking you to call all your chips here so the pot odds are really 1.5:1 (=&gt; you have to be 40% in the hand to make the call)
Villain's range of hands for raising OOP late in a tournament probably does not include AQ which is the magic hand that makes the call easy. If he will even raise with JJ or TT he probably doesn't leave some chips behind.

I don't think you're 40% in the hand, but its close. I could go either way.
1) its late in the tournament, this is a big pot (call)
2) don't give tight players action (fold)
3) CEV-- (fold)
4) TEV++ (call)
5) 10XBB left, push and fold mode (call)
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:34 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: KK in the BB with 3 other players

Hero is MP2 and BB is the big stack. If BB isn't pushing AQ here, he sucks.
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Old 07-07-2005, 06:06 PM
joeboe2001 joeboe2001 is offline
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Default Re: KK in the BB with 3 other players

MP1 is Tight, SB is Aggressive/stealing blinds frequently. Is this the correct amount to raise? Do I want to chase those two out of the hand preflop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t51753)
CO (t2660)
Button (t23896)
SB (t12460)
Hero (t21667)
UTG (t19680)
UTG+1 (t21926)
MP1 (t40735)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls t2000, 1 fold, CO raises to t2560, 1 fold, SB calls t1560, Hero raises to t10000

Also, here's another hand, BB has been pretty tight.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) converter

BB (t55053)
UTG (t45281)
UTG+1 (t3970)
MP1 (t21900)
Hero (t28187)
CO (t7680)
Button (t41852)
SB (t36335)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, A.
3 folds, Hero raises to t6000, 3 folds, BB raises to t20000, Hero ???

First hand: Seems ok and pretty standard--call the reraise and/or push after the flop.

Second hand: If you are confident in your read, fold.
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