Bots - quote from a chessmaster to discuss

[beenben]

from an artilce in the 11/27/2005 NYT by Jennifer Shahade, the U.S. women's
chess champion in 2002 and 2004:

"Further, Internet chess cheating, alreacy a problem because dishonest players
can use sophisticated computer programs to decide their moves, would balloon out
of control if money were at stake. (Online card rooms don't have hte same
problem because poker computers are still too weak to dominate human
opponents.)"

Discuss.

[yvesaint]

hey man no offense but your threads dont really belong in MTT

[Exitonly]

That's Curtain's sister.

Awesome.

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hey man no offense but your threads dont really belong in MTT

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1. High poker skill requires a lot of intellegence. Artificial intellegence is still very weak. If you check current computer games, AI gets better and better, but only to a certain degree. There is no game, which a human player cannot beat after a certain amount of training.

2. Every AI has its leak. Look into the forums of the games to find out where. So, also a common poker software would have a leak, which would be posted in every forum.

bots are more difficult in poker because there is a bigger randomness factor with what cards can fall and the actions to each situation. Chess bots have only to know the basic principles, opening strategies and the like. For instance, knowing that controlling the center of the board above all else is easy enough to program, but how do you program a computer to make the best possible move in poker knowing that any number of random cards can fall on 3 different streets. In poker, you would just have to program it to make the "mathematically correct" decisions solely based on odds.

[TheHammer24]

Nice find. Good post

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bots are more difficult in poker because there is a bigger randomness factor with what cards can fall and the actions to each situation. Chess bots have only to know the basic principles, opening strategies and the like. For instance, knowing that controlling the center of the board above all else is easy enough to program, but how do you program a computer to make the best possible move in poker knowing that any number of random cards can fall on 3 different streets. In poker, you would just have to program it to make the "mathematically correct" decisions solely based on odds.

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Solid point

[SNOWBALL138]

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1. High poker skill requires a lot of intellegence. Artificial intellegence is still very weak. If you check current computer games, AI gets better and better, but only to a certain degree. There is no game, which a human player cannot beat after a certain amount of training.


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Nonsense. I've been on the last level of final fantasy X for six months. RPGs are rigged.

[SNOWBALL138]

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Nice find. Good post


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bots are more difficult in poker because there is a bigger randomness factor with what cards can fall and the actions to each situation. Chess bots have only to know the basic principles, opening strategies and the like. For instance, knowing that controlling the center of the board above all else is easy enough to program, but how do you program a computer to make the best possible move in poker knowing that any number of random cards can fall on 3 different streets. In poker, you would just have to program it to make the "mathematically correct" decisions solely based on odds.


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Solid point

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Bots can beat low lvl SNGs w/o too much trouble.

[MrBlueNose]

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