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Old 11-30-2005, 09:58 PM
ANY2CARDZ ANY2CARDZ is offline
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Villian is 16/10/2.33 over 100 hands, solid player, doesnt seem to get out of line.
On the turn I put him on jj, or aa, cant really see him 3 betting anything else preflop, and raising the turn. Whats your line on the turn?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero ?
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: kk utg agianst tag.

You're probably losing, but I would call down, hoping to see QQ.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:11 PM
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Do you think this is an easy call down? Im still torn between the right play here, folding seems to weak, but it appears that the only thing im ahead of here is QQ.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:25 PM
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Default Re: kk utg agianst tag.

Call down. He has q/q or a/a.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: kk utg agianst tag.

I disagee....i think its 50/50. You have to call down because of that and not in the hope he has q/q.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:28 PM
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You are ahead of only q/q but there aren't many other hands he can have. OKOKOK...maybe j/j still a 1 in 3 chance of winning. Easy call down.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:28 PM
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yeah, looks like he was inviting you to bet turn with keeping it at 3 on flop and then raising turn...

i'd bet/call turn, and then check/call river if unimproved.

likely has the hands you suggested, and its now worth opening yourself up for the possibility he has QQ
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:28 PM
GoblinMason (Craig) GoblinMason (Craig) is offline
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Default Re: kk utg agianst tag.

what does the 3 bet on the flop accomplish? I like just calling the flop raise. he knows you capped pf and doesnt care. its like 40/10/60 QQ/KK/AA and a slight chance he has a set. you cant fold. so call down
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:29 PM
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I could see him having these hands you beat/tie:
AJ
TT
QQ
KK
??

Ya, it doesn't look good against this guy, but you're getting 5.5-1 on a call down to the turn raise.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:30 PM
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Do you think this is an easy call down? Im still torn between the right play here, folding seems to weak, but it appears that the only thing im ahead of here is QQ.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think it's easy, exactly, since you're probably losing.

You are getting about 6:1 on a call down, though. And, mathematically, AA/JJ is only 1 1/2 times as likely as QQ.

I think Villain's play in the hand makes QQ less likely than the combos indicate. At the same time, you do also have some (small) chance of improving to the winning hand, when you are behind.

I don't know. I wouldn't be very optimistic about my chances, at the point when I was getting raised on the turn. But I would call down.
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