Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20

mdeck · #1 09-29-2005, 11:24 PM

No reliable numbers as I'm just taking a shot. Qualitative reads: UTG+2 seems to be an overaggressive LAGtard, button is completely unknown

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, Button caps, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero folds, Button calls.

I can't see myself being good here at all after the preflop action. Thoughts?

mscags · #2 09-29-2005, 11:51 PM

I'd imagine your beat, tough lay down though, not sure if I can make it.

mdeck · #3 09-30-2005, 12:08 AM

Even though the pot is huge, I don't think the third-nut backdoor flush draw is enough to call 2 more, esp. from a check/3bet. I suspect I'm drawing to 2 outs here at best.

I just wanted to make sure this was sound at such an aggressive level, thanks.

mscags · #4 09-30-2005, 12:32 AM

Looks like the right move to me

joedot · #5 09-30-2005, 02:03 AM

Call this down. Geez. When all the donkeys quit playing poker then you can fold this. And if they all quit playing poker, you may as well quit too.

BoxTree · #6 09-30-2005, 02:32 AM

UTG+2 check-3-bets???

MP1 cold-calls 3 bets???

You need to improve.

You're getting just over 13:1 to see the turn. Your backdoor flush draw may be bad even if you hit it. Your queens are clearly clean outs.

13:1 to take one stab at a two-outer? No thanks.

Fold is good.

BoxTree · #7 09-30-2005, 02:34 AM

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Call this down. Geez. When all the donkeys quit playing poker then you can fold this. And if they all quit playing poker, you may as well quit too.

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Yeah, the check-3-bettor is a donkey. He has ace high.

And so is the guy who cold-calls that bet. He's trying to make a backdoor straight.

And so is the button who capped preflop. He has 32o.

Donk, donk, donk, GOOSE!

Please stop posting crappy advice.

joedot · #8 09-30-2005, 02:50 AM

"UTG+2 seems to be an overaggressive LAGtard, button is completely unknown"

Folding here is atrocious. 13 to 1 on a draw? You are assuming that he is the one drawing. Overagrressive could have AK, or almost any pocket pair. Button could have capped preflop as a positional play and could have anything as well since he is "unknown." Folding here is a mistake at any Party Poker table. You're the one posting crappy advice.

BoxTree · #9 09-30-2005, 03:02 AM

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You're the one posting crappy advice.

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The masses will prove you wrong.

No apology needed, thanks.

TimM · #10 09-30-2005, 04:26 AM

While it looks like a big pot, it's going to cost 3BB at a bare minimum to show down. That means he needs to have the best hand and not get outdrawn at least 20% of the time, and that's just not happening. Putting them both on hands you can beat and then calling down is what the fish do.