KJ o standard fold on button?

[beckham9]

1-2 PP loose table obviously, 5 limpers, is this an obvious fold with KJ o?

also wondering if there are no limpers, fold or raise? one or the other but not call i suppose.

[InchoateHand]

Eh, I might limp it. How do your opponents play post-flop? Are they passive pre-flop, ie. are you already dominated? I don't think you are missing out on lots of action folding it, but I'm not a huge fan of raising it either, so muck or limp for me. But I'm gimpy.

If you are opening from the button, raise. If you fold it, doesn't matter, but I think I'd raise here, especially if the blinds are weak.

[PokeHer]

certainly if there are no limpers i would raise. Calling with the 5 limpers i think is OK but is kinda borderline- it depends on how well your opponents play.

[devinthedude]

Come on guys, you cant be serious.

Obvious call, obvious raise

[beckham9]

obvious call? could be dominated by some weak player who does not raise KQ, maybe even AK. i have been folding this but thanks for your input, do you have data on your ev from button with kJ? i owuld be very interested to see it.

B9

[InchoateHand]

I think limping, following the limpfest in front of you is fine, because you will be able to raise any favorable flop and exit cheaply. With 7-8 players to the flop, many worse hands would be profitable providing the post-flop conditions/play are right.

The problem is, of course, that almost any one pair hand you hit is right in the zone.

As for the latter case, I'm sorry for equivocating. KJo is an auto-steal. If the blinds are weak, you get their money. If they are loose, you get extra money in while you are ahead.
If they are tight and aggressive, well, see what the flop brings and find a new table.

[Noodles]

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obvious call? could be dominated by some weak player who does not raise KQ, maybe even AK. i have been folding this but thanks for your input, do you have data on your ev from button with kJ? i owuld be very interested to see it.


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Why are you fearing AK and KQ,if they are loose they probably have worse hands than yours,and with 5 in front you are getting good pot odds,
Want do you want? AA every time?

[devinthedude]

yes, obvious call.

you could be dominated by AK or KQ if somebody didnt raise, but you could also be dominating KT, K9, K8, K7, QJ, JT, J9, J8, J7, shall I go on...and much, much worse in this type of game.

If it was raised of course you wouldnt call.

This hand is so easy to play postflop, and you only have to pay one bet to see it. There is no way you should ever, ever fold this in this type of game for 1sb.

[J.R.]

I don't think this is an obvious call, as its debatable, depending on the nature and character or the limpers, if raising preflop is better. But you should be playing unless your opponents are very weak tight.

[mistrpug]

I'm limping here on the button, but I don't think raising is a good play at all. I think I'd fold before I'd raise.