River spot

bicyclekick · #1 11-26-2005, 12:34 AM

Full table 30/60 party. I'm not at my computer so I don't have any stats on anyone. I'm 2 tabling so I'm paying pretty good attention.

A really bad player limps, I raise A9o in the co, unkown sb and bb call, limper calls. 4 players for 2 bets.

flop A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

sb checks bb bets, bad player folds, i call (yes, sometimes I raise), sb folds.

Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he bets I call.

River 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he checks i ?

Mig · #2 11-26-2005, 12:36 AM

I bet and fold to a raise.

psyduck · #3 11-26-2005, 01:09 AM

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Eric P · #4 11-26-2005, 04:49 PM

i think betting and folding stinks. The hands that will pay off are A3 A5 88 99 TT (can't remember the high card on the board, but i'm assuming he can't have jacks, and even 99 or TT seems like a stretch). Also, he could easily have AT or AJ and check for the same reason we might - you could have easily made two pair.

My point is very few hands will pay off here, and it really seems like betting is marginal enough that it might be better to get to see his hand, betting and folding you lose a bet and can't see his hand; so checking seems better cause we miss a bet, occasionally save a bet and get to see his hand. I'm not advocating always checking these types of hands, but if you are paying attention then reads can be very profitable, plus you migt be losing here a lot.

Not to mention the image you generate for yourself when you show this hand, people will think you are weak after this hand, and will help you pick up a pot or two.

mscags · #5 11-26-2005, 02:42 AM

Looks like an easy bet, am I missing something BK?

CardSharpCook · #6 11-26-2005, 02:57 AM

this could be a PP. But any Ax beats you almost (A3,A5,A8). I don't really see much point in betting. This COULD be a trap. If it isn't, what calls? He has to figure us for better than 88 at least. Could he call with K-high missed flush? I think I check this down. just as likely to see AT as A8.

Schneids · #7 11-26-2005, 02:58 AM

Bet. I know you're thinking "but most lower aces have made two pair now" but I really bet he has A3 or A5 far more often than two pair trying to c/r you since why should he be expecting you to bet a river when you've just called called on this board? If you're totally uncomfortable betting because you want to get a read, then check behind.

#8 11-26-2005, 09:48 AM

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Bet. I know you're thinking "but most lower aces have made two pair now" but I really bet he has A3 or A5 far more often than two pair trying to c/r you since why should he be expecting you to bet a river when you've just called called on this board?

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MitchL · #9 11-26-2005, 09:21 AM

Im thinking a flop or turn raise helps hand play out smoother. Any reasons not to raise?

slavic · #10 11-26-2005, 01:29 PM

I bet because after all "they want to call, they really want to call". Of course I rarely find areas were check raising the river is my play but, checkraising a good player who I think has an ace is one of those areas. I'm tricky enough that they will call and a good player will almost never skip the opportunity to bet an pair of aces heads up.