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Old 12-11-2005, 02:33 AM
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Default easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio

incredibly good loose passive 30 at bellagio thurs. night.

4 limps. i call in sb with 99. 6 to the flop

flop: AA4 with 2 spade.

I check EP player bets, button(the only other aggressive player at the table who plays moderately well though tends to spew at time on the turn) raises, I 3-bet and get heads up.

Turn: offsuit 7.

I bet, call.

River: offsuit 6.

easy value bet or check to induce a bluff?
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:38 AM
newhizzle newhizzle is offline
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im not sure what the button could possibly have other than a missed flush draw that you beat here, i think its a check

what do you put him on?
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:44 AM
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i think the mostly likely hand is a smaller pocket pair. I think its unlikely that she raises to knock people out with a good draw.

the problem with the likely hands 55-88 is that 2 of the combos flopped sets.
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Old 12-11-2005, 06:11 AM
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Default Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio

raise PF. bet/3bet flop if aggro button is the one who raises. bet turn and check/call river
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Old 12-11-2005, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio

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raise PF. bet/3bet flop if aggro button is the one who raises. bet turn and check/call river

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I agree with this completely.

I like check/call river because I don't want to call a raise here.

I think he bluffs/value bets a worse hand enough to make checking and calling better than betting. Because of the raise factor on your value bet.

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Old 12-11-2005, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio

The only thing I like about your hand is the limp pre-flop.

Let it go. 6 people to the flop. One of them probably has an ace. Everyonce in awhile they wont, but you're usually just spewing. You're play isn't AWFUL bad but when it's been bet and raised it's time to let it go.

If I played it the way you did and got that far I'd check/call the river for sure.
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio

It is hard for me to believe that we don't have enough equity to bump this one preflop. Can we get some elaboration on the no raise preflop ideas.
Not to mention positive benefits of looking LAG.

I agree that the flop is debateable. However, when action gets to us, there is a bet from some dude, an aggressive player with a habit of spewing has raised, and bb is left to act.

With a good read on EP that a lead means no ace, I think 3 betting is best. With no read, it is close.
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:57 AM
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incredibly good loose passive 30 at bellagio thurs. night.

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It's a loose passive game? Then fold the flop.
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Old 12-11-2005, 11:09 AM
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check to induce a bluff?

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I don't get this part. It makes it sound like you are sure you have the hand won (which based on the title I'm guessing you did win)

If the Button has a flush draw he shouldn't be raising here. (Especially if he plays 'moderately well')
I wouldn't expect him to being playing any 4 here either (except 44).

The only thing that makes sense is an ace.
You should fold the flop. IMO
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Old 12-11-2005, 11:17 AM
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check to induce a bluff?

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I don't get this part. It makes it sound like you are sure you have the hand won (which based on the title I'm guessing you did win)

If the Button has a flush draw he shouldn't be raising here. (Especially if he plays 'moderately well')
I wouldn't expect him to being playing any 4 here either (except 44).

The only thing that makes sense is an ace.
You should fold the flop. IMO

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Completely agree. That is why i put her on a pocket pair. problem is 1/2 of the likely pocket pairs she might have involve a set. Given the way the hand played out I was 99% that I was ahead on the turn.
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