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Old 12-24-2005, 12:57 PM
mshalen mshalen is offline
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Default First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

Sorry I didn't save the HH but here is the basic situation. Stars 180 $20 SNG. Blinds 100/200. Don't recall if the antes had started. I am the BB. All the other characters had similar sized stacks -only one read on a player. I think my image is a weak-tight player which is true but I am trying to become more aggressive. This is not a results oriented post or showing off some stupid move that worked. I rarely post hands but this one has been nagging at me since yesterday.

UTG mini raises to 400 (Notes say previously miniraised from EP with AKs and QQ as well as suited connectors)
MP calls 400
MP2 calls 400
Button calls 400
SB folds
BB- me J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Pot has 1,900: 4 callers at 400, sb 100, bb 200. Cost to me to call $200 getting about 9:1. So I called for $200. I figured no one could ever be a 9:1 dog pre flop but I would probably being check folding after the flop.

You can probably guess what happened next.

Flop T,3,3
I check, UTG bets 1,000, MP calls 1,000, MP2 folds, Button calls 1,000. I bet out $5,000 (pot size bet)(probably a weak-tight move). Folds around to button who instantly pushes for about 10,000. I call the remaining 3,500 of my stack.
Button turns over Tx and I take the pot.

This is where everyone went nuts. The button started calling me a donkey and some of the others joined in with such things as: how could I call a raise with a trash hand, what a donk play, calling me an idiot and so on.

What I would like from you guys is either a little moral support or some help in why my play was wrong. I figured the pot odds were screaming for a call and the only times I would call with J3 is in a blind situation for free (see above weak-tight self assessment) and for a miniraise only if the pot was huge.

So I leave the comments up to you.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:03 PM
daryn daryn is offline
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

yawn

getting 9 to 1 with a J3 suited? easy call man, then you flop trips.. ding.

you might still be a donkey, but not because of this hand.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

The preflop call looks fine.

I agree the large checkraise on the flop might be weak/tight, particularly if there were no suits on the flop.

Maybe button is the donk overplaying Tx here. What x did he have with his T that he called the full amount of the raise preflop and put all his money in with top pair? Was his Tx suited?

You can often play a lot more hands when you are playing loose fish who will pay you off when you hit. I would call here with random suited cards. Seems like a pretty loose table with so many calls to a UTG miniraise.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

LOL for real. "You might still be a donkey...."

Don't be ashamed of the move. It's poker, and you flopped a set. Period.

I am the Prince of Donkeys. I am a recovering Fish. I want the title of King of Bad Beats.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

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I want the title of King of Bad Beats.

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you'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands ...
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:26 PM
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After I bust your AA with a cold-called boat flop on 7 2 off, this can be arranged!!!
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:29 PM
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I don't believe it could be true .... that this is the first time you have been called a donkey, that is.

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Old 12-24-2005, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

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After I bust your AA with a cold-called boat flop on 7 2 off, this can be arranged!!!

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will never happen, i muck AA pre-flop because of all of my negative karma.
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

I would lead out on this flop.

Your play was not donkeyish in the least.
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: First time ever called a donkey - Could it be true?

I'm perfectly content to let people call me donkeys after I bust them. It happens to me all the time but my ROI says I must be doing something right. I play for the money, not the approval of other people at the table.

The button is a donkey for pushing Tx after you check raise against all those opponents. What the hell did he think you had?
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