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Old 12-19-2005, 04:23 AM
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Default meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

Shifting between 2 handed to 4 handed. There is one guy who kinda sucks and keeps sitting out because the 4th guy sits back in when he does, so we play a few hands 4 handed, then the sucky guy sits out and the other guy sits out, then the sucky guy sits back in a few minutes later. Anyway, at this point, it's just become 3-handed again as one of the two sits back in.

There is some meta-game that leads up to my hand in question.

We are both playing super aggro at times, and not believing eachother. I've lost $7000 in the last 5 minutes. He probably thinks I'm tilting. I'm pretty sure he is tilting even though he's on a quick rush.


At 18 minutes after the hour, this hand occured:

wollow: posts small blind $75
PurplHaze: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [8h 8s]
Axlmania: folds
Devman: raises $300
d0000d: raises $450
Lead1ng: folds
wollow: calls $375
PurplHaze: folds
Devman: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [9h 5d Jh]
wollow: checks
Devman: checks
d0000d: bets $150
wollow: calls $150
Devman: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [9h 5d Jh][Jd]
wollow: checks
Devman: checks
d0000d: bets $300
wollow: calls $300
Devman: calls $300
----- RIVER ----- [9h 5d Jh Jd][3d]
wollow: checks
Devman: checks
d0000d: bets $300
wollow: raises $600
Devman: folds
d0000d: folds
Returned uncalled bets $300 to wollow
wollow: doesn't show hand
wollow collects $3447 from Main pot


At 19 minutes after teh hour, this hand occured:

d0000d: posts small blind $75
Lead1ng sits out
wollow sits out
PurplHaze: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [2c 7h]
Axlmania: raises $300
d0000d: folds
PurplHaze: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [6d 9s 6h]
PurplHaze: checks
Axlmania: bets $150
PurplHaze: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [6d 9s 6h][Ts]
PurplHaze: checks
Axlmania: bets $300
PurplHaze: raises $600
Axlmania: calls $300
----- RIVER ----- [6d 9s 6h Ts][8h]
PurplHaze: bets $300
Axlmania: raises $600
PurplHaze: calls $300
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Axlmania: shows [Js Qh] (A Straight, Queen high)
PurplHaze: mucks hand [7s 4s]
Axlmania collects $3372 from Main pot


At 20 minutes after the hour, this hand occurred:

d0000d: posts small blind $75
PurplHaze: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [Jh 4s]
d0000d: raises $225
PurplHaze: raises $300
d0000d: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [Th 3d 4d]
d0000d: checks
PurplHaze: bets $150
d0000d: raises $300
PurplHaze: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [Th 3d 4d][6d]
d0000d: bets $300
PurplHaze: raises $600
d0000d: calls $300
----- RIVER ----- [Th 3d 4d 6d][5c]
d0000d: checks
PurplHaze: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
d0000d: shows [Jh 4s] (A Pair of Fours, Jack high)
PurplHaze: shows [6c Kc] (A Pair of Sixes, King high)
PurplHaze collects $2697 from Main pot



Still at 20 minutes after the hour, this hand occurred:

PurplHaze: posts small blind $75
d0000d: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [9c Kd]
PurplHaze: raises $225
d0000d: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [4s 9d Jh]
PurplHaze: bets $150
d0000d: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [4s 9d Jh][5h]
PurplHaze: bets $300
d0000d: calls $300
----- RIVER ----- [4s 9d Jh 5h][Ts]
PurplHaze: bets $300
d0000d: calls $300
----- SHOW DOWN -----
PurplHaze: shows [Jd 5s] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Fives, Ten high)
d0000d: mucks hand [9c Kd]
PurplHaze collects $2097 from Main pot


still at 20 after, this hand occurs:

d0000d: posts small blind $75
PurplHaze: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [7s 5d]
d0000d: raises $225
PurplHaze: raises $300
Devman joins the table at seat #3
d0000d: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [Ac 7h As]
d0000d: checks
PurplHaze: bets $150
d0000d: raises $300
PurplHaze: raises $300
d0000d: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [Ac 7h As][6c]
d0000d: checks
PurplHaze: bets $300
d0000d: raises $600
PurplHaze: calls $300
----- RIVER ----- [Ac 7h As 6c][3h]
d0000d: bets $300
PurplHaze: calls $300
----- SHOW DOWN -----
d0000d: shows [7s 5d] (Two Pairs, Aces and Sevens, Six high)
PurplHaze: shows [9h 9c] (Two Pairs, Aces and Nines, Seven high)
PurplHaze collects $3597 from Main pot


At 21 after, this hand occurs:

d0000d: posts small blind $75
PurplHaze: posts big blind $150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to d0000d [Ks 3c]
Devman: folds
d0000d: raises $225
PurplHaze: raises $300
d0000d: calls $150
----- FLOP ----- [7d 3d Kd]
d0000d: checks
PurplHaze: bets $150
d0000d: raises $300
PurplHaze: raises $300
d0000d: calls $150
----- TURN ----- [7d 3d Kd][Qh]
d0000d: checks
PurplHaze: bets $300
d0000d: raises $600
PurplHaze: calls $300
----- RIVER ----- [7d 3d Kd Qh][3s]
d0000d: bets $300
PurplHaze: calls $300
----- SHOW DOWN -----
d0000d: shows [Ks 3c] (A Full House, Threes full of Kings)
PurplHaze: mucks hand [Ah 8h]
d0000d collects $3597 from Main pot




FINALLY, TO THE REAL HAND:


1 fold. I raise QdQs, he calls in the BB.

----- FLOP ----- [3h 9c Th]
I bet, he calls.


----- TURN ----- [3h 9c Th][8h]
I bet, he raises, I 3 bet, he 4 bets, I call.
...I seriously contemplated 5 betting given those range of hands above.


----- RIVER ----- [3h 9c Th 8h][3c]
I check, he bets.
...Can anyone raise? I called.
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

btw i already know everyone is going to hate 1-2 of those other hands that built up to it, but even a day later i'd still make the same decisions in each. so please refrain from commenting about spraying excessively with the 75. thx [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:37 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

[ QUOTE ]
btw i already know everyone is going to hate 1-2 of those other hands that built up to it, but even a day later i'd still make the same decisions in each. so please refrain from commenting about spraying excessively with the 75. thx [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I think we should have a thread devoted to at least 1 or 2 of those other hands. I would love to know what you were thinking...
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:40 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

i would raise
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:46 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

I think we can rule out 2 hands: a flush, and QJ, as I think he always raises these on the flop (let me know if thats off).

So that leaves us the two pair hands that we beat, J7, 67. I dont think hes in there with T3 or 93 etc and he would be highly likely to reraise 88-TT preflop unless he's one of those guys that never reraises HU OOP.

If we give some extra weight to the two-pair hands it might become a c/r. He is a more likely to just call on the flop with hands like T9 and 98 then J7 or 67.

I think its close but I would just call here too. Obviously he had T8 or JT cuz you posted it but I think you made the right play.
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:58 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

I think it's really unlikely he doesn't raise twopair on the flop to exploit the image he's just worked up with A8 and to an extent 99, which means (assuming he checks behind 98 on the end) I find it hard to see that the 3 changes matters. I'm fine here with a call.
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

the thing is, he "seriously considers" fivebetting the turn, then catches his v best card on the river...
i would raise.
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

The way I read it, the 5-bet would be to punish the guy for getting frisky with a big draw/pair+draw that's not going to bet the river. Once we've checked on the river, and he's bet, raising doesn't appear to achieve anything, because the big draw folds and the pair+draw checks behind the river instead of betting. I'm not against betting out on this river, but once we've checked, I don't like a CR much.
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

the thing is, the pair+draw often doesnt check, and there are a few 2 pairs out there.

its close.
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: meta-game makes 4 malicious monetary matters [meticulous memoirs]

Hand 2 he raises the turn w/ his FD+gutshot. It seems like he might take a pair + 1-card FD for a few bets on this turn (Qh 8x, Kh 8x don't seem unreasonable).

I think you can raise.
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