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Old 12-19-2005, 09:09 AM
flawless_victory flawless_victory is offline
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Default PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

villain is a fish.
good read or donkey spew play?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>
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Old 12-19-2005, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

Looks like a spew to me. I don't expect a fish to fold here.
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Old 12-19-2005, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

Imo this is a complete spew unless you had a way better read than just "fish". Itīs very unlikely he is raising the river without a full house and as he is a fish he will never fold a 7.
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Old 12-19-2005, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

What does fish mean ?

Does it just mean loose ?
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:51 PM
Fantell Fantell is offline
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

If he's the type to take a lot of hands to the river, I wouldn't try the steal with 64s here to start with. Most fish are likely to call when they should fold, not fold when they should call.

You're going to make oodles off this guy when he calls you down with the worst hand, not when you put a play on him and make him fold a winner.
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:59 PM
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

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good read or donkey spew play?


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the latter. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

PREFLOP: You are coming in with the worst hand preflop against an opponent who doesn't like to fold. I really don't think that position + initiative can overcome these defecits.

FLOP/TURN: I do think the flop/turn/first river bet is OK.... once youv'e got into this awful longball situation with a terrible hand, hoping he folds is better than giving up.

RIVER: If he is a fish in the classic sense of the word then this is pretty awful. Even maniacs only rarely bluff check-raise the river, and even then they will call you down with A-high a good proportion of the time.
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: PP10. 46s RIVER BLUFF

if hes the type that can c/r the river on a bluff i prob wouldve checked he turn
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Old 12-19-2005, 02:22 PM
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the whole hand is one extended spew IMO.
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Old 12-19-2005, 03:10 PM
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The conditions for this would have to be so specific that there's no way anyone could simply read "spew or no?", browse the HH, and then tell you whether it was correct or not.
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