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Old 12-17-2005, 01:27 AM
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Default UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

25/50, UB, six-handed. My image is reasonable, having stacked off a tilting player to build my stack, which stands at ~$9,700 at the beginning of this hand. Villain, who is playing aggro but seems to be showing down lots of winners and not getting too far out of line, covers. He was unknown to me before this session; oxidant for those who played w/ him or who were/are watching the game tonight.

I open for $175 w/ A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Villain calls in BB.

Flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain checks, I bet $300, villain makes it $775. I call.

Turn is K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Check, check.

River is 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Villain checks, I bet $1,275, villain minraises to $2,550, I fold.

Thoughts on all postflop streets appreciated.
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Old 12-17-2005, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

every street looks standard...

Out of curiosity, is check-minraise a common move in 25/50 games? It's such a...sick play and really puts people to tough decisions when holding mediocre hands. How often do you see people check-minraise bluffing? (in this hand, It really seems unlikely that villain would do this without flush)
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Old 12-17-2005, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

i think you have to 3 bet the flop there dude.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:04 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

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every street looks standard...


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I tend to try getting a lot of money in with top two when there's a flush out there...I don't know how you can say that just calling here is "standard"
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:07 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

I assume you're plan was to make a big bet/raise on the turn unless a spade hit?

I'm paying this off unless i know villians tendencies very well. Of course i'm incapable of making big laydowns.

But he played this hand so goofy that I have a hard time giving his minraise too much respect. Pot odds are obviously great and you're clearly beat here often but not often enough to fold IMO. Maybe he misclicked? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

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I tend to try getting a lot of money in with top two when there's a flush out there...I don't know how you can say that just calling here is "standard"


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I was pretty much thinking the same thing here as i think reraising is "standard".....But i don't mind giving villian a little rope here in a heads up hand. I think trapping and reraising here are both fine.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

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i think you have to 3 bet the flop there dude.

[/ QUOTE ]agreed.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:39 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

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i think you have to 3 bet the flop there dude.

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no way i 3bet this flop. no way.

EDIT: who was villain? And above advice is obviously villain dependent- but against your avg 25/50 player I don't like 3 betting w/ these stacks, and position.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

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i think you have to 3 bet the flop there dude.

[/ QUOTE ]agreed.

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Agreed. But just to clarify, if you raise pot (which I've quickly estimated as being a raise to 2500 or so) and get called, what do you do if a spade comes on turn and:
1) Villain bets anywhere from 3-5K?
2) Villain checks?

Deep stacks I think make this hand pretty tricky if your 3-bet gets called.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:43 AM
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Default Re: UB 25/50: I fold a hand (for once)

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every street looks standard...


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I tend to try getting a lot of money in with top two when there's a flush out there...I don't know how you can say that just calling here is "standard"

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what do you do if you threebet, and the turn is any spade, K,J,T,6?
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