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Old 12-30-2005, 09:05 PM
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Of course I pushed. BUT - I though about it. My good read on the TAG was AA-QQ and AK. UTG+1 folded & the TAG called. Obviously he showed AA by my earlier comments.

Here's the thing - I knew he had it. It was either AA or QQ since I held Kings. I thought that my best chance to win was to fold or hope I was wrong.

I'm certainly not complaining and it isn't a bad beat or sour grapes - my only thought when seeing KK was to get the max chips in the pot. The TAG's raise caused me to stop playing on "KK auto-pilot" and think.

When DO you trust that voice in your head?
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:24 PM
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Here's the thing - I knew he had it. It was either AA or QQ since I held Kings.

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lol
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Old 12-31-2005, 12:46 AM
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Here's the thing - I knew he had it. It was either AA or QQ since I held Kings.

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Just so OP knows why this quote is funny...given you have KK, there are 6 combos of AA, 6 of QQ and 8 of AK. So your "he has AA or QQ b/c I have KK" is flawed. Your equity against his (absurdly tight) range of AA-QQ, AK is then 57.3% and you have an easy push.

Steve

Note that even if his range is only AA, QQ, you should still push because of the dead money from the limper and blinds.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:09 AM
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Here's the thing - I knew he had it. It was either AA or QQ since I held Kings.

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lol

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Old 12-30-2005, 10:14 PM
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I just don't see how you can make that read. You said the guy is good and UTG will fold to a re-raise. He has the guy covered and it would seem to me that he could have anything here.

Having said that, I may be the only person here who wouldn't roast you for folding. go with your read no matter what. Even fold aces here if you want, you'll make the money, and you might get another big hand later. Pretend you went to the bathroom and missed it or misclicked and folded. You haven't lost anything but an opportunity.
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:31 PM
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When DO you trust that voice in your head?

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When I've got a ginormous stack that can afford folding, not an M of 8. And when I have more evidence than "limper, tight player raised weakly." There's gona have to be a lot more raising for entire chipstacks before I think about folding the second best hand in hold 'em. Even if I know that he HAS to have AA, QQ, or AK (which you're a favorite against).
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:10 AM
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Do you actually beleive this? You are being results oriented beyond belief right now. Then again, I'm a lil drunk, so I probably would be results oriented too.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:03 AM
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Wait. UTG+1 made a standard 2.5xBB raise and you were SURE it was aces? I don't see how you could narrow it down that far based on a standard opening raise unless the UTG+1 player hasn't played a hand in about 10 orbits. Then perhaps you can narrow it down to one of two holdings with a single tidbit of information.

See monsters under the bed often?
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:37 PM
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When DO you trust that voice in your head?

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When it tells me to push KK in this spot.

P.S. No offense, but you did not make a good read. How in the world can you put that range on Villian? Unless you've played 100's of hands with him and the only time he raises to 2.5x BB in is with exactly this hand range, you're kidding yourself.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:39 PM
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When DO you trust that voice in your head?

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When it tells me to push KK in this spot.

P.S. No offense, but you did not make a good read. How in the world can you put that range on Villian? Unless you've played 100's of hands with him and the only time he raises to 2.5x BB in is with exactly this hand range, you're kidding yourself.

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As I showed in my other post, even if he has that ridiculously tight range (AA-QQ, AK or even just AA-QQ), pushing is still good.

Steve
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