party poker

[bankrobber42]

Could there be a bit of sarcasm out there!! No way.

I am going to test my theory by closing my account and opening a new one starting with 500 playing at 100nl just as before. I am going to do this 100 times so I have a big enough sample to decide if rigged or not. So far it stands at winning at first (2) busting out (0) If you don't hear back from me, you will know I have found the secret.

[sfer]

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If you don't hear back from me, you will know I have found the secret.

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I hope we don't hear back for unrelated reasons.

[SA125]

I think two things are true. The first is that this same exact thing happens over and over again to many, many posters. The exact same circumstances. Big runs always followed by bad ones. Big hands always holding up, then never holding up. For other things you can confidently say "where there's smoke there's fire" and will find some consensus, but not with online poker. SFER says maybe the guy just sucks at poker. That may be true. Kurn says it's typical variance. That sounds good too. The thing about variance though is that it's not suppossed to be predicatable. There's also no doubt that the software can be programmed any way they want it.

The second thing that's true takes a lot less time to say. It seems there's many, many guys making very serious money playing online poker. Paying their bills with it. If that's the case, you have to believe what Kurn said. Over the long haul, if you play well, you'll make money online.

[JimmyV]

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Anyone else notice this or am I crazy?

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Hey, yeah, I noticed the same thing!!!

You're definitely not crazy, it's totally true, crazy things happen in card games like poker.

I'm with you all the way; you're NOT crazy.

You might, however, be considerably dumber than average.

If we don't hear back from you we'll know that there is a beneficent God out there somewhere, one who loves us all very much (--or perhaps one intolerant of silliness, who sends speedy buses for the moment when folks like you look right stepping off of curbs).

JimmyV

[bankrobber42]

Think about it. If your the CEO of party poker your job is to make the most money possible for your company. If new players come in and get destroyed right away. There not going to play anymore. However if they come in and triple there money and then slowly lose it back. They have been given a taste of winning and might come back to try it again after busting out. What is better for party poker to have 30000 online players and allow newer players to win or just to have 4000 to 5000 very skilled players.

When I first started at PP I had tripled my money in the first four days and then the next 3 weeks or so I played about even. I played about 3000 hands during that time. I am a skilled player? No. Was I lucky at first and the luck just stop? Maybe.

When I started the new account the same thing has happend. I have tripled up in the first week and now have played about a week and stayed pretty much even. I have definitely seen a big difference in the number of good starting hands and also a big difference in the number of good starting hands that have connected with the flop. Coincidence??? I do know? But something just don't seem right.

[sfer]

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Think about it. If your the CEO of party poker your job is to make the most money possible for your company. If new players come in and get destroyed right away. There not going to play anymore.

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Hmmm. I'm thinking about it. I've thought about it. You are dumb. And it's more than grammar.

[sourbeaver]

I do not believe online poker is rigged, but I will contribute by saying that my recent Party account has been hitting flops like crazy indeed (quadrupling my deposit in one night). I haven't experienced the "censored" part yet though.

Perhaps this is luck. I've heard many people with the exact same story though, it's weird, but I guess we have to attribute this to luck, or people start playing worse because they win so much at first perhaps ?

[challenger84]

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When having TPTK getting beat by a set, ect.

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Unreal. What kind of sick, sick, people would stack the deck against you so flagrantly? I'm taking my money out today.

[Felix_Nietsche]

Lets look at the facts.
1. Most of these on-line poker sites are based in 2nd world and 3rd world countries.
2. These sites want to make money. And many of these sites are making TONS of money.
3. There is little regulation for many of these sites.

The million dollar question is would these sites modify their software to maximize their profits?.....

Let us assume a new Poker Site wants to create crooked s/w (software) to maximize profits. What would the optimum strategy for a crooked site to achieve this?

**IMO, the crooked s/w would want to MINIMIZE the number of BIG winners and MINIMIZE the number of BIG losers. In other words, they, idealy, would want to create an atmosphere where the money gets swapped around back-and-forth with no big winners and no big losers while the sites happily collect their rakes. WHY? Big losers, who are usually poor players, will often unfairly blame their losses of the s/w whether its TRUE-or-NOT and leave the sites forever blaming the s/w instead of their poor play.

I would argue, poor players, are the bread-and-butter of poker sites. Poor players tend to give a lot of action and ACTION attracts more players. And the more players there are, the more money these sites make. To achieve this the s/w would have to be modified, to reward poor players and punish good players to even out the playing field.

In the book, "The Worlds Greatest Blackjack Book", the author tells a story where a card counter playing in a 3rd World country plays several hours and asks(and gets relectantly) as a "comp" 4 decks of cards that was being used to deal blackjack. He goes up to his hotel room and inventories the cards and discovers some Aces and 10-point cards have been removed. *By-the-way, a deck rich in Aces and 10-point cards, favors the player so if the house removes a few of these cards they can increase their profits. In otherwords, this casino was cheating to increase their profits. The point of this story is to illustrate a basic tenet of human nature. Greed.

I play lots of poker on-line, and in the year I've been playing I'm ahead a modest $2.5K. So I KNOW money can be made on-line. I concede its possible that these sites could be modifying their s/w to keep the fish happy and to muzzle the Sharks BUT ONLY a THOROUGH mathematically analyis of millions of hands could one make a honest judement.

Your feelings are NOT enough.... The fluxuations of luck in poker can fool poor players that they are the next DOYLE BRUNSON, and can make good players question their skills.... BUT... on the other hand I am CONCERNED that there is little regulation for these sites. If casinos will cheat their customers at Blackjack then it is VERY possible these poker sites could be playing games. Hopefully, some math/computer guru, will analyze this sites for a PhD thesis, and we will know which sites are honest and which sites are cutting corners....

Meanwhile, I'll still be playing on-line...

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Hopefully, some math/computer guru, will analyze this sites for a PhD thesis, and we will know which sites are honest and which sites are cutting corners....

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Only in clown college dude.