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Old 09-19-2005, 11:28 PM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

OK, I am not super-excited about the way I played this, but I think the villain played this poorly too. I obviously draw the nuts on the river, so we know I win, but... anyone care to guess what he's holding?

Advice/comments on all streets appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t580)
Hero (t1005)
BB (t975)
UTG (t985)
UTG+1 (t1130)
MP1 (t1130)
MP2 (t2170)
MP3 (t930)
CO (t1095)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, 4 folds</font>, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t125, BB calls t125, UTG+1 folds, Button folds.

Turn: (t370) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t200, Hero calls t200.

River: (t770) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 300, Hero raises all-In t650, BB calls t320

Final Pot: t2000ish
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:34 PM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

I usually will check call this and lead the turn for 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot depending on the card and assuming it's hu. Given how you played the flop I lead the turn because he checks behind with a bazillion hands, but may not believe you if you bet. I probably bet half pot though.

Villain could have so many hands, especially if he played it badly.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:50 PM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

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I usually will check call this

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You check/call TP with a decent kicker?

What about a CR instead?

Edit: Keep in mind there are 3 villains on the flop. I don't want to give any free cards. Ergo, I think checking here is a mistake. My mistake was betting too much on the flop. (I think I should be more inclined to keeping the pot small, since I am OOP.)

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Old 09-19-2005, 11:58 PM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

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I usually will check call this

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You check/call TP with a decent kicker?

What about a CR instead?

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This is what we call "bloating the pot with a marginal hand."

Well, it's what I call it anyways. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it elsewhere.

I lead the flop for less than you did...I very rarely overbet the pot. So, like 90-100. I probably check/call the turn and I certainly lead that river. He'll be much more likely to call you with a T then he is to bet with it.
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:06 AM
pokerlaw pokerlaw is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

I think that checking the flop isn't the best play and prefer a bet. I think t125 is slightly high, jsut b/c i dont bet pot often early. i like t100, but yeah, bet it.

check/calling makes the turn a lot tougher. what do you do if a 7 comes out? if you check, too likely you get bet out of the pot.

i think you played it fine. i mean, its party, he could have 44 or A10 or a lot of stuff the way he played this. maybe KJ?
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:09 AM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

I like the title, made me smile.

I like a river open push, but this is definitely a nice spot for a check raise.

Not sure if I like the pot bet on the flop, I'd aim more around 80 here, but that's just "style".

Turn check is fine.

Yeah, I think I like.
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:11 AM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

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I very rarely overbet the pot.

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Yeah, this is a direct result of my laziness. I don't type my bets in, I just use the slider to get it as close to the pot as possible. (125 is one of the increments it stops at.)

Lame, I know.
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

I haven't read any replies yet so I may edit this to say something completely different...

I like the play. BUT you have got to bet the river.

He will check way too many times here. Also, unless he is a complete idiot he would not have bet the 200 on the turn when you opened the flop for 125...(EDIT...if he was holding a worse hand then yours [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img])
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

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I haven't read any replies yet so I may edit this to say something completely different...

I like the play. BUT you have got to bet the river.

He will check way too many times here. Also, unless he is a complete idiot he would not have bet the 200 on the turn when you opened the flop for 125.

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Yeah, this is the street I dislike the most. I really need to lead here.
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:28 AM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***

I personally don't like leading the turn here. The reason being that you want to get to showdown and getting raised here would make you vomit. There really aren't that many cards you're afraid to see on the river. Way ahead/way behind situation here, which makes me lean toward checking. Helps the river value bet here too if villain has something like AT.

Edit: Third time's the charm.
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