What percentage of players "consistently" win?

[12AX7]

Where are you playing 10/20 in Florida?

I would say 10%. No matter what, once you start to play poker as a beginner you will LOSE. Well there are some lucky people. But each and everyday you play you learn new things. When I first started, I thought I knew alot and I had to pay dearly for it.

According to my PT stats, 67% loser, 33% winners....over 100,000 hands. Simply win or lose, doesnt mean there are big winners or big losers.

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According to my PT stats, 67% loser, 33% winners....over 100,000 hands. Simply win or lose, doesnt mean there are big winners or big losers.

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Does this take into account the winners who multi-table?

In other words, if you consider that after rake is considered, possibly 47% of players win, and 53% lose. OK, so what about when you realize that the winners are likely 4-tabling, and so four winning hands at a time could all be attributed to 1 human. And the even better players play 6, 8, 10 tables at once. This should help clarify that probably 5% of the players out there are really beating the game up, while another 40% or so are barely in the black, and over 50% are losing, some of which are losing tons.

In other words, lets look at it like this: If $100M is wagered, then lets say $5M is automatically lost to rake, leaving $95M to be paid out. Let's say there are 20 players who each earn $1M 1-tabling. 20 players earn $2M 2-tabling, 10 players earn $3.5M 4-tabling.

That means there are 50 winning players.

The losers would probably be about 60 players each losing up to $2M dollars.

In other words out of 110 players, 10 of those are earning over 1/3 of all the money paid out. It's very top-heavy. While the losers are probably all very similar (slight losers).

These numbers are just total shots in the dark of course, but I hope I made the point that the skillful players are playing (and winning at) multiple tables. One skillful player could take down 4 different pots at 4 different tables against 4 different fish. The money won and lost is equal, but only 1 of the 5 players "won". The other 4 lost.

[benfranklin]

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According to my PT stats, 67% loser, 33% winners....over 100,000 hands. Simply win or lose, doesnt mean there are big winners or big losers.

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I don't think that those stats really mean anything. Unless you are playing the same players over and over, most of those winner/loser results are simply the report of how a single player did in a single session.

Those numbers are about what you would expect if 10 people sat down and played for a couple of hours. Given the rake, 3 winners and 7 losers sounds about right for that session.

But that tells us nothing about the long term profit/loss situation for any of those players. The general rule of thumb I've always heard is that a pro expects to lose 1 out of 3 sessions in the long run. PT stats could show 2 or 3 losing sessions for a pro who had a dozen winning sessions over the same period that weren't in that sample.

[roueful]

It shouldn't matter if you have consistent stats on individual players, the 'sessions' will average out.

I'd predict most of those 33% most are very marginal winners, while the losers vary from small to huge. The rake eats up a sizable portion of any profits.