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#21
12-20-2005, 06:57 PM
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Re: 50/100 AK vs possible straight and flush
Is TJ really a common cold calling hand in the CO from an UTG raise in a 10-handed game? Especially from someone who "seems tight?" AA, KK, QQ, and 22 are all unlikely as you didn't get 3-bet PF and 22 rarely calls 2 cold. I say this turn is a 3-bet and c/c the river if capped and you don't improve.
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#22
12-20-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: 50/100 AK vs possible straight and flush
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Is TJ really a common cold calling hand in the CO from an UTG raise in a 10-handed game? Especially from someone who "seems tight?" AA, KK, QQ, and 22 are all unlikely as you didn't get 3-bet PF and 22 rarely calls 2 cold. I say this turn is a 3-bet and c/c the river if capped and you don't improve. [/ QUOTE ] Do you really think good players ever are the first cold caller of an utg raise? Once someone cold calls there, I can't put him on a hand because I would never cold call in that spot.
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#24
12-21-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: 50/100 AK vs possible straight and flush
Paluka - That seems like a pretty damn good reason to coldcall to me.
I agree with whoever said you should play cautiously because AK is a hand people tend to start from when you raise PF, so if they're popping you on an AKxx board they aren't doing it lightly.
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#25
12-21-2005, 01:05 PM
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Re: 50/100 AK vs possible straight and flush
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[ QUOTE ] Is TJ really a common cold calling hand in the CO from an UTG raise in a 10-handed game? Especially from someone who "seems tight?" AA, KK, QQ, and 22 are all unlikely as you didn't get 3-bet PF and 22 rarely calls 2 cold. I say this turn is a 3-bet and c/c the river if capped and you don't improve. [/ QUOTE ] Do you really think good players ever are the first cold caller of an utg raise? Once someone cold calls there, I can't put him on a hand because I would never cold call in that spot. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, if I knew the villain better I could read his hand better and make a better decision here. Also I could fold the river UI if I knew him better. But since he's basically unknown I want to go to showdown. Let's say calling down is the base case. If I 3 bet and I'm ahead and he calls down, I win 1 more bet than if I just call down. If I'm behind and he caps, I then call down and lose 2 more bets (he will never cap when behind, and rarely he'll fold when he's behind, which leaves me only as well off as calling down to start with). I now think the EV of the 3-betting vs calling down is pretty close. If you think he's much more likely to have KQ/AQ than JT or 22 then of course you favor the 3 bet, and vice-versa. I should donk the diamond river though, since I get protection from a raise and I don't want it to get checked through. Everyone's comments have been excellent, this hand is much more interesting than I first thought. When I played it I thought it was a clear call down, when I posted I thought it was a clear 3 bet, and now I think its pretty close. I asked another good player I know and he thinks its still a clear 3 bet.
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#26
12-21-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: 50/100 AK vs possible straight and flush
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Paluka - That seems like a pretty damn good reason to coldcall to me. I agree with whoever said you should play cautiously because AK is a hand people tend to start from when you raise PF, so if they're popping you on an AKxx board they aren't doing it lightly. [/ QUOTE ] You think cold calling is a good idea just because they can't put you on a hand?
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#28
12-21-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: 50/100 AK vs possible straight and flush
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Occaisonally yes. Confusing a good hand-reader is a plus that might push a 3bet to a coldcall occaisonally. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I could see cold calling with a monster sometimes. But obviously this is another reason to not 3 bet this turn.
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