2nd Hand of 15 +1 call this?

Roland32 · #1 08-23-2005, 06:53 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

CO (t1300)
Hero (t1480)
SB (t1500)
BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ (t1500)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t3300)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO calls t20, Hero raises to t120, 1 fold, BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls t100, CO calls t100.

Flop: (t370) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villain checks, CO checks, Hero bets t240, Villain calls t240, CO folds.

Turn: (t850) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.

River: (t850) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets t1140 (All-In), Hero calls t1120 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3110

Roland32 · #2 08-23-2005, 07:26 PM

Sorry I forgot to put in my comment. Should I have called. it looked like a move to me.

tigerite · #3 08-23-2005, 08:21 PM

No. I wouldn't. I don't like your preflop raise at all by the way.

PS The way he played this hand smells like a set to me or some freaky two pair (JT or T9). He has you beat, anyway. Or, just maybe 87. I could see that.

Roland32 · #4 08-23-2005, 08:47 PM

This raise is pretty standard for me. What is wrong with it?
This is Pokerstars so stacks are deeper. i also have position.

tigerite · #5 08-23-2005, 09:00 PM

Has nothing to do with deep stacks or having position. It's far more +EV to just call here with such low blinds, but ok keep raising to one limper. I promise you it's a leak though

ReDeYES88 · #6 08-23-2005, 09:15 PM

I made a resolution with myself a long time ago not to go broke with top pair calling a push when the blinds are very low, and it doesn't matter what street.

Lots of poker to be played.

Let the hand go.

pokerlaw · #7 08-23-2005, 09:39 PM

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This raise is pretty standard for me. What is wrong with it?
This is Pokerstars so stacks are deeper. i also have position.

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jsut cause the stacks are deeper doesnt mean you should be making reraises with hands like A10s.

11t · #8 08-23-2005, 09:40 PM

Yah I would agree with limping.

If you are gonna raise just raise it to 60-80 though, all you are tryiing to do is isolate the limper or just make him outright fold and if he is folding to 120 he is probably folding to 80.

Roland32 · #9 08-23-2005, 09:42 PM

I agree that it might be a leak but why?
My thinking is this, one limper on button I am facing 2 random hands in the blinds who will fold 70% of the time. The limper will have a wide range of hands. THe best of which he will reraise and I will fold. The worst of which he will fold most of the time. But many hands he will call, including ,weak Aces, and other hands I am ahead of.
More importantly the majority of the time he will check the flop I will bet and he will fold. These types of hands is how i build a stack.
I honestly would like to understand this better. This a situation I have pondered but currently have it in the "if its not broke dont fix it " category.

#10 08-23-2005, 10:07 PM

I like your raise pre-flop. With only one late limper and the blinds left ATs is a good hand. The raise was probably too large though. 80 would have been better.

Top pair best kicker is a great flop and calls for a three quarter to full pot raise which you did. Now the surprise comes when he calls - what has he got? Pocket 5s and 6s are unlikely because he shouldn't have called your pre-flop raise. If he did then I'm prepared to lose all my chips. If he's got pocket 10s or above I'm also prepared to lose all my chips. That's poker.

Its even more unlikely that he called with 87, but not impossible.

Most likely holdings are K10, Q10, J10 pocket 9s and maybe 10-9.

The turn is where you made your mistake by not betting. You have to bet here to get information. If he's drawing to an open-ended straight you can't give him a free card by checking. If he's got pocket 9s a bet would likely make him muck. If he calls or (check raises) a big bet again then goes all in on the river you know you're beat and can throw your hand away.

Now he goes all in. when the nine flops. Your weakness on the turn makes it possible he is making a move. The fact he went all-in also points to it being a move. If the nine completes his nut straight or makes trips why go all in against someone who showed weakness on the turn. Same with two pair. I'd try extract money.

I still think he may have K10, Q10 or at worst maybe a Jack.
I'd call all in.