$109s - JJ Hand

[Unarmed]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

BB (t1000)
UTG (t950)
UTG+1 (t985)
MP1 (t950)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t2140)
Hero (t1000)
Button (t990)
SB (t985)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t50</font>, Hero calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t35, UTG+1 calls t35.

Flop: (t210) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t90</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls t90, BB folds.

Turn: (t390) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t150</font>, Hero ?

[Scuba Chuck]

I hate JJ. Well, sometimes...

I have no advice to give here, this is a tough spot. Do you have any table reads? Does villain have the ability to lead with a flush draw on the flop?

[Unarmed]

Unfortunately, I'd never seen VIllain before.

[fisherman112]

since you just called him preflop, you have to raise this flop to find out where you are. half the deck is a turn scarecard and it's ridiculously weak/tight to fold to his bet on the turn.
a small flop raise to, say, 250, isnt really committing you but helps a lot more than calling him on the flop and turn, having another under hit the river and watching him push.

as it is, i think i just call on the turn and reevaluate on the river. although i dont hate minraising to get a cheap showdown.

[wookie]

Hero raises to 300 on the flop to prevent seeing a turn with a diamond, or to induce a mistake from the villain.

But we got to the turn... only options I see are fold or push. Since we are at the start of the tournament, discretion says fold and live to fight another day. After all it's only a pair...

But, those probe bets smell funny to me. I might just push instead. You might even force him off of a weak flush.

- w

[fisherman112]

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But we got to the turn... only options I see are fold or push. Since we are at the start of the tournament, discretion says fold and live to fight another day. After all it's only a pair...

But, those probe bets smell funny to me. I might just push instead. You might even force him off of a weak flush.

- w

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yes we all know how often people raise from EP with suited connectors, make a flush and then fold to a raise.
this is not in any way a push or fold situation. hero still have over 800 chips left when the action reaches him on the turn and theres only 400 in the pot.

[Unarmed]

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yes we all know how often people raise from EP with suited connectors, make a flush and then fold to a raise.
this is not in any way a push or fold situation. hero still have over 800 chips left when the action reaches him on the turn and theres only 400 in the pot.

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I'm pretty sure I can beat PF raiser. However, he folded on the flop so its not all that relevent.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

why not raise from late position w/ JJ pre-flop?

[fisherman112]

my mistake, read your post quickly and assumed UTG+1 was the pfr. ugh, that makes the turn a lot trickier. really this all goes back to the fact that you should raise on the flop. as it is, you have no idea if he flopped a set, a flush draw, weakly played tens that 2 outed you on the turn, 98, or something else entirely. cant see much you're beating here, but it's hard to know since you didnt raise the flop. im repeating myself because every time i think about the hand that's what springs to mind.

against an unknown, i think you have to at least call on the turn here.(...and pray for a diamond river and a check.)
still dont hate the minraise, check behind, seems like your cheapest way of seeing a showdown. fold if reraised or if he calls and pushes the river.

[Matt R.]

I would actually min-raise here. I think it will shut villain down almost always if he does not have the flush and get you a cheap showdown. If he keeps coming at you, you can be very certain that he has the flush and you can get away from the hand with a weaker, but playable stack.

Calling will invite villain to bet the river again (probably for more than 150 -- the cost of a min-raise) even if he doesn't have the flush, and folding an overpair in a pot this size isn't a great option imo.