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Old 08-25-2005, 09:05 PM
TGoldman TGoldman is offline
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Default Put to the test on the river

$100 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
Hero ($142.50)
Villain ($120.55) (49.1 VPIP, 0 PFR, and 1.44 AF-Tot over 57 hands)

Hero is in CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 limpers, hero calls, button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot $6, 6 players)
Villain bets $2, 1 caller, Hero raises $13.70, villain calls, caller folds.

Turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot $33.65. 2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $33.65, villain calls.

River: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot $100.95, 2 players)
Villain bets $72.20 and is all-in, Hero curses his luck and...
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Old 08-25-2005, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: Put to the test on the river

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Hero curses his luck and...

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calls, and wonders if he played the turn correctly.
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:14 PM
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Default Re: Put to the test on the river

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calls, and wonders if he played the turn correctly.

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Hmmm, so you're wondering if it's better to check it through on the turn and then call any potential river bet? I honestly had not considered that option. When the flush card hit on the turn and he checked it to me, I figured I'm most likely either 1) quartering another A2 or 2) chopping against a flush. In the unlikely scenerio that he has an A2 with diamonds, well I'll have to take my lumps.

With 1 and 2 being the most likely scenerios, I decided I wanted to squeeze him as much as possible. If I'm quartering him, I want as much of his chips in the pot as possible. If he has anything other than the nut-flush, I'm hoping my bet will squeeze him enough to fold so I can hog the whole pot.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: Put to the test on the river

There is no one correct answer for how to play this hand. The truth is it’s a close decision dependent on table conditions, opponents propensity to fold/bluff, and your image.

Argument for checking
Checking the turn will often get worse hands to lead out on the river – hands that would fold to a bet now – like set/twopair or A2 with worse high. (btw, this is how you take money from overaggro players like AirHumpy [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] )

And it will lose you less when you are behind to A2 with diamonds.

Argument for betting
Balanced against that is a) how often a better hand will fold. But A2 with a weak flush will not be folding here (witness that many are suggesting that you call the river with A2 with worse than a weak flush), so that will be pretty rare. And b) how often a worse hand will call – but you are pretty much hoping that A2 with a worse high than a straight will call and the only possible hand there might be A2+set.

In truth you probably should be taking both these lines to mix up your game
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Old 08-26-2005, 03:12 PM
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call, feeling confident he played the turn fine.
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Old 08-26-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: Put to the test on the river

WELCOME BACK! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:56 PM
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Default FOR THE RECORD

It's not me. Just a friend of mine.

Also, know how I know the imposter is gay? Because he doesn't own a gun.

edit: but I must admit, this imposter posted two posts virtually EXACTLY as I would've. advice, and insult... well done, sir. well done.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:40 PM
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It's not me. Just a friend of mine.

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Smoothcall? Is that you?
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Old 08-26-2005, 06:03 PM
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Do you know how I know you're gay? Because you're a phucking phaggot.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:14 PM
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Is that guy humping faster now, since you've returned?
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