RAYMER...not so good?

[mybutthurts]

some locals at foxwoods explain that raymer rarely wins in
those ring games. apparently he tries to give too much advice and ends up giving away his money!
im sure you avid 2+2 r's will attempt to defend him so lets hear it.
btw- this is what i heard from several regular grind it out
players.
by no means is this my belief.
btw do you believe money maker wins in ring games now?

[deacsoft]

Mr. Raymer strikes me as someone who is always willing to help people out. He gives advice and pointers on these forums. I don't see why he would do it any different in a live ring game setting. Maybe it's not +EV for him to do so, but I don't believe money is the driving force Mr. Raymer's life.
Just my thoughts and opinions.

[henrikrh]

Dunno if Raymer is good, but saying he isn't seem like it would make an interesting story and would inflate the ego of someone who may have won a pot or two off him. I trust your source not your sources claim.

Evidence for Raymers skill: WSOP 2004 and other cashes.
Evidence against his skill: The word of a Foxwoods player.

Either way, even if he isn't very good at poker, he seems like a nice guy.

[hoopsie44]

I've seen Raymer several times at the Taj in Atlantic City and he's a class act. Very friendly and accomodating to any stranger who comes up to him to congratulate him, talk poker, ask for an autograph, whatever. It cracks me up the way some people always take shots at anyone who achieves any level of success. Lame.

[DesertCat]

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some locals at foxwoods explain that raymer rarely wins in
those ring games. apparently he tries to give too much advice and ends up giving away his money!
im sure you avid 2+2 r's will attempt to defend him so lets hear it.
btw- this is what i heard from several regular grind it out
players.
by no means is this my belief.
btw do you believe money maker wins in ring games now?

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Gregs' tournament cashes

Do your critics have as many cashes as Mr. Fossilman? The word on the street is that he has been a winning player for a number of years in the Foxwoods higher limit games.

As far as your shot at Moneymaker his record the last two years is pretty good.

MoneyMakers' record

[crazy canuck]

Greg is not only an excellent player, but also an excellent teacher. Anyone, who disagrees should check out the NL and tourney archives.

[benfranklin]

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by no means is this my belief.

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So, you have no facts and you don't believe it, but you are going to spread the rumor anyway. A real class act.

Why does every baseless rumor post have a "I don't believe this but..." disclaimer?

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this is what i heard from several regular grind it out
players.

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And they heard it from a cocktail waitress who heard it from a bartender who heard it from Greg's wife's hairdresser's ex-husband.

No one here needs to defend Greg. We need to defend these forums against people who post the same stupid stories every week.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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Why does every baseless rumor post have a "I don't believe this but..." disclaimer?

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Covering his ass. People do this all the time to say what they want to say yet somehow absolve themselves of responsibility for saying it. e.g. "I don't want to get out of line here, but <immediately says something out of line>"

IMO, not using the search function to find out if someone's talked about the book you want to discuss is one thing (for a humorous example of this, search for all the threads discussing an error on page 29 of GSIH - I cant count how many people started new threads on that), but not reading his posts to decide for yourself whether or not Raymer knows what he's talking about before launching into the smear thread is pretty irresponsible, even if it is prefixed by "I dont mean to spread rumors, but..."

[Myrtle]

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im sure you avid 2+2 r's will attempt to defend him so lets hear it.
btw- this is what i heard from several regular grind it out
players.


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.....above kind of hints at the fact that perhaps you might have a bit of an 'attitude' on this one?

Perhaps you could have asked..... "Have any of you 2+2'ers ever played with Greg at Foxwoods? If so, would you share your thoughts on his play?".

FWIW, before Greg won the WSOP, I would hear with regularity, while on breaks during various tournaments, a number of players downgrading Greg's ability. It was interesting to note that, IMO, most of those players were overall pretty weak, and would make statements like that because they really had little understanding of the game.

ps. There are some regular 'grind it out players' at Foxwoods who are regular donators. Always consider the source when you hear this kind of loose talk.

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[SinCityGuy]

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some locals at foxwoods explain that raymer rarely wins in
those ring games.

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Some people in Utah told me that Osama Bin Laden lives in Salt Lake City, because his many wives aren't conspicuous there.