KQ...flop check okay?

[MrFeelNothin]

It seems to me that the flop/turn combination is very weak and is in fact more likely to get you blown off your hand. When you come out with such a weak turn lead (less than half the pot) after check-calling the flop it would appear to him to be a good place to push you. What big hand are you going to play like this? I dont think there is one.

I would prefer just leading flop/turn and reevaluating on river or c/cing both streets and block betting the river.

If you are going to c/c the flop and bet the turn you have to bet more.

[JooWish622]

I feel like against most mid-stakes players,

a stop and go will cause enough confusion to them that they'll call with a very wide range of hands here, ones that are well ahead and well behind. Clearly, they'll still push flushes but I've always felt betting half the pot on the turn as a stop and go is adaquate enough to cause them to slowdown without the best of hands.

Given that, I feel like betting that flop causes a lot of hands that I'm ahead of to push me off (a of diamonds, T9, QJ). I feel like flop checking gains me value from hands that are behind and allows me to get to the turn cheaply against hands like QJ and A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. If a bad card comes off here, I can check and be confident that my flop check-call should keep them from betting hands that I have beat. (if i bet and then checked to this bad card, they may bet with a hand like black jacks, realizing thats their time to move me off black kings and aces).

If a good card comes, my halfpot turn lead should let them to just call with hands like a red AA which would have likely raised me if I bet the flop. Although being against red AA would suck, i do get an extra card to hit here and possibly a free showdown as I've possibly represented a hand like two pair (since my line is confusing).

This just seems like a time to inflate my hand/gain value from way behind hands by checking the flop) by stopping and going this big board. It also adaquately defines my hand by the turn so I don't have to go to the river with a hand that won't improve and may be dead on the flop.

if u can call 32 on that flop i think you would be better off betting the 32

when u check the flop thats the green light for him if he has a high dia

so bet the 32 on flop instead of check call and if u get reraise u can fold

if he calls then i would check the turn unless i thought he was on draw

[JooWish622]

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if u can call 32 on that flop i think you would be better off betting the 32

when u check the flop thats the green light for him if he has a high dia

so bet the 32 on flop instead of check call and if u get reraise u can fold

if he calls then i would check the turn unless i thought he was on draw

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sigh...
this is like the antithesis of correct.

[soah]

Why did you post this hand? It obviously wasn't for feedback.

[JooWish622]

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Why did you post this hand? It obviously wasn't for feedback.

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My question: Does this line save me money when I'm drawing dead on the flop and keep me from getting blown off my hand when I'm ahead of hands like (QJ, T9, A of diamonds).

Do you guys like this line to prevent myself from getting raised off my hand on the flop.

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Is there a disadvantage to this line? It seems sound to be but I'm curious.

Im sorry for my arrogance but the above post was just so incorrect.


Thoughts? agree?

if u can call 32 on that flop i think you would be better off betting the 32


so my post is incorrect?

if ur hand is good enough to call on the flop its good enough to bet on the flop

whats incorrect about that

joo?