Flush Draw Out of Position

jackdaniels · #1 12-02-2005, 07:04 PM

Villain is new to the table - no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets , Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets , Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ....

I was considering a bet at the end; how often do you think that would work? Would anyone c/r the flop and bet the turn here?

bobbyi · #2 12-02-2005, 07:19 PM

I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. Given that you didn't, check-fold the river.

jackdaniels · #3 12-02-2005, 07:27 PM

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I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. Given that you didn't, check-fold the river.

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That would be one of the 2 lines I would normally take. But how often am I getting 3-bet pre-flop by overcards and how does he have an over pair?

#4 12-02-2005, 07:31 PM

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I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn.

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Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown?

stillbr · #5 12-02-2005, 07:34 PM

Betting the river here would be pretty bad. A big ace will call you here like 99.9% of the time. The only way you win by betting is if he 3-bet you with somthing like KQ.

jackdaniels · #6 12-02-2005, 07:42 PM

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A big ace will call you here like 99.9% of the time.

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Exactly what I am looking for.

jackdaniels · #7 12-02-2005, 07:45 PM

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I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn.

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Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown?

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Often enough at 3/6. I'm new at 5-10 but hoping same principles apply.

stillbr · #8 12-02-2005, 07:52 PM

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I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn.

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Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown?

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Often enough at 3/6. I'm new at 5-10 but hoping same principles apply.

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Often enough at 5-10 aswell.

jackdaniels · #9 12-02-2005, 07:55 PM

Hero indeed checks the river, villain checks behind and tables AJ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHNG.

SackUp · #10 12-02-2005, 08:04 PM

c/r the flop - lots of flush and overcard equity

b/c the turn - possibly get him to fold overs and we still have over and the big fd

c/f the river - if the dude has not folded yet then I'm not sure he is folding now. I think there would be a better chance if you took the more aggressive line above, but not sure how good you are.

I think you have a better chance of taking down the turn.