2 similar Q10s hands

[jt1]

PP 5/10 Hero is a newbie

MP1 is a moderate LAG
Hero is in CO with QT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB is loose passive

MP1 calls. Hero raises. BB calls. MP1 calls

(6sb) J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

MP1 bets. Hero raises. BB folds. MP1 calls

(5 bb) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MP1 checks. Hero checks

(5bb) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

MP1 bets. Hero folds


Hand 2

MP1 limps (loose passive)
MP2 limps (slightly LAG)
Hero with button limps QT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB calls
BB checks

(4sb) J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

checked to MP2 who bets. Hero raises. fold, fold, MP1 calls. MP2 calls


(5 bb) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

rag

bet, fold, fold

[Roy6]

All I can say is that you seem to be overagressive when you have nothing and the pot is small. That's not good poker.

[baronzeus]

raising the flop to see the river for free is highly opponent dependent. you will get 3bet a lot and/or donked on the turn.

[bank]

Fold the flop in Hand 1.

Hand 2 raise preflop.

[jt1]

in hand 1, MP1 is getting 6-1 on his flop bet with just 2 other players in the pot. Those are pretty fantastic odds. I wasn't raising for a free card. Had the card helped me at all, I would have bet the turn. As it is, if anything, it helped my opponent. The flop raise was both a defensive maneauver and possibly (i thought) a value raise. Should I have, at least, called?

Hand 2 is nearly the exact same situation. I thought that my 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] was very likely good and I had 2 backdoors so I had at worst 6 outs and possibly 9 outs. If MP1 hadn't called my flop raise, I would have bet that turn expecting to take it down. Again, should I have, at least, called the flop.

[Frogic]

I like the spirit of what you're trying to do here but I think you're picking the wrong boards to do it on. Having 2 overcards backdoor flush is decent and you usually could use the freecard, having 1 overcard backdoor flush and backdoor straight is not the same thing. This is expecially true on the first hand where your overcard outs are very tainted possible four flushes.

Frogic

[donger]

1) is OK if the guy will donk-fold frequently with nothing. Otherwise, it's spewy. I would dig this play a lot more with ATs, as you actually have some showdown value.

2) This is bad, especially after limping. Just give it up on this one. The pot is small and you have two BD draws and one overcard. This is equivalent to about 4 outs.