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Old 12-23-2004, 01:50 PM
cbragado cbragado is offline
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein Critiques Top Players in the World

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Why is it that the occasional obscure poster feels the need to question the several pros who take the time to post here? It's comical. It's ok to be critical, but flat out stupid, un-thought through posts are not appreciated. Would you question Barry Bonds on hitting technique? Save the "you my sir" bs for your home game buddies.

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Thanks for the negative feedback. I play poker at the Bicycle Casino and Commerce Casino in Los Angeles. And I win pretty consistently at holdem and stud, low to mid limits. Made the final table at a Bicycle Casino tourney on Monday, as well. You would be more familiar with home games or online poker than me, I'm sure.

I'm not being critical of Barry at all. "Sir" is a sign of respect for Mr. Greenstein, actually.

Any YOU bringing up Barry Bonds to me, a die hard Giants fan is absurd. I don't question Barry Bonds technique, just his ethical use of illegal steriods.

Sincerely,
Chester
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Old 12-23-2004, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein Critiques Top Players in the World

sorry to be critical.

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Thanks for the negative feedback. I play poker at the Bicycle Casino and Commerce Casino in Los Angeles. And I win pretty consistently at holdem and stud, low to mid limits. Made the final table at a Bicycle Casino tourney on Monday, as well. You would be more familiar with home games or online poker than me, I'm sure.

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This made me laugh. Best of luck to you, sir.

Dalai
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:05 PM
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein Critiques Top Players in the World

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sorry to be critical.

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Thanks for the negative feedback. I play poker at the Bicycle Casino and Commerce Casino in Los Angeles. And I win pretty consistently at holdem and stud, low to mid limits. Made the final table at a Bicycle Casino tourney on Monday, as well. You would be more familiar with home games or online poker than me, I'm sure.

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This made me laugh. Best of luck to you, sir.

Dalai

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No need to be sorry, friend. I tried to be funny. Glad I succeeded!

Chester
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein Critiques Top Players in the World

Or on the use of performance enhancing drugs for that matter........
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: psychology

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Barry, on your website you say that you are well-versed in psychology.

By that, do you mean that you've studied it academically? Or do you mean only that you're a keen observer of human behavior with a natural aptitude for understanding people's motives and temperaments?

Do you think a person can improve his poker game by reading college textbooks on human psychology?

I've taken very little interest in psychology because of the discipline's reputation for being somewhat lax about using the scientific method. (See Richard Feynman's comments here.) So I have studied psychology not at all.

Am I missing out? (With regard only to poker, that is.)

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My dad has a masters degree in Educational Psychology. I had read his textbooks when I was a kid and by the time I got to college, my psychology classes at the University of Illinois were so easy, I not only got A's, but I was far and away the top student without doing much studying. I had enough courses to declare a minor in Psychology. I would have done that, but they had just started offering majors in Computer Science, so I switched my major to that and let my previous major, Math, be my minor.

I think psychology is useful but college courses do not help much with the practical psychology that is used in poker. Psychological nomenclature does however give one a nice framework to explain things that are going on.

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Old 12-23-2004, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein Critiques Top Players in the World

Barry is a good loking man.
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Old 12-23-2004, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein Critiques Top Players in the World

I'll take a cue about ranking poker players from the backgammon world. In a game that combines skill and luck, it is probably not possible to determine who is really best. But it is possible to compile a list of players for whom an argument can be made that they may be the best.

Survey strong players at both games about who they think may be the best, and some of the same names come up again-and-again.

For example, in backgammon, Nack Ballard has topped the Giants of Backgammon poll two years running, and he was ranked second to Sweden's Jerry Grandell the year before that. I think the many strong Asian players get underated in this poll, but I don't know of a strong player of any ethnic background who would claim with confidence that they were a better backgammon player than Ballard.

For myself, I think it is better to have a harsh opinion about your skills in either game, it saves money in the long run.

Frank
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Old 12-23-2004, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: psychology

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I think psychology is useful but college courses do not help much with the practical psychology that is used in poker.

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Thanks for the response.

What do you think would help with the practical psychology that is used in poker?

(I guess there are two main elements to that. 1. Being able to focus your own thoughts, both to enhance your concentration and awareness at the table, and to avoid going on tilt. 2. Understanding what's going on in the minds of other people at the table to help you get a read on them.)

Are there any particular books you'd recommend? (Besides your own?)
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Old 12-24-2004, 07:46 PM
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Default Barry Greenstein adds anecdotes to his player analysis

The best one was this one on Phil Helmuth:

"Amusing anecdote:

I first played with Phil in a no-limit side game in Los Angeles in 1992. I didn’t pay attention to tournament poker back then, but I had heard that he was a cocky kid who had won a big tournament. He was playing fast and loose and showing his hands and needling people whenever he outplayed them. Well, I was pretty cocky too. Phil opened for a raise, I reraised and Phil called. After the flop, I bet, Phil raised and I reraised him all-in. He thought for a while, showed me top pair and then folded. I showed him Deuce-Three offsuit which bore no relation to the flop.

Phil stood up and said, “Nice play buddy, but that’s the stupidest thing you’ve ever done. Do you realize that giving me that kind of information is going to cost you all of your money? It’s because of players like you that I make millions of dollars a year playing poker.”
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Old 12-24-2004, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: Barry Greenstein adds anecdotes to his player analysis

How is the one for Bobby Baldwin. He sounds like complete ass hole. Yeah fire a guy for doing exactly what you pay him to do.

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Bobby doesn’t play where he works because he thinks it looks unprofessional and he doesn’t want any possible altercations with employees. One of the last times he played at the Mirage, he was sitting next to the dealer, when a security guard nudged him and told him to move so he could get the drop box. Bobby said, “Give me a second, buddy. I just have to figure out what to do with this hand. The security guard said, “Move, please.” Bobby said, “Do you realize I’m the president?” The guard replied, “I don’t care if you’re @#^*ing George Bush -- you need to move.” That was the guards last day on the job.

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