statistical tests to show that online poker is not rigged

cyberer · #1 12-11-2005, 03:10 AM

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these independant tests dont test if its "rigged." they only test to see if the outcomes generated by the random number generator are distributed appropriately. so in theory, pokerstars' random number generator could pass test, while they could still rig the cards on particular hands. for the record, i dont think this is happening.

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I do think that it is happenning. The number generator is random, but as you just said they could rig cards on particular hands. For instance, giving someone 4 of a kind and someone else a straight flush. They know that both parties will bet heavy and GUESS WHAT? that means that the bigger the bet, the more rake they take. It makes perfect sense. However, it is random in the sense that you have an equal chance of coming out the winner or the loser in such a situation, but it is still technically "rigged."

bmxreed36 · #2 12-11-2005, 03:42 AM

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these independant tests dont test if its "rigged." they only test to see if the outcomes generated by the random number generator are distributed appropriately. so in theory, pokerstars' random number generator could pass test, while they could still rig the cards on particular hands. for the record, i dont think this is happening.

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I do think that it is happenning. The number generator is random, but as you just said they could rig cards on particular hands. For instance, giving someone 4 of a kind and someone else a straight flush. They know that both parties will bet heavy and GUESS WHAT? that means that the bigger the bet, the more rake they take. It makes perfect sense. However, it is random in the sense that you have an equal chance of coming out the winner or the loser in such a situation, but it is still technically "rigged."

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There is a max rake on every hand. For example, if you look at a 30/60 limit game on Stars, the rake is the same whether the pot is $1000 or $135. With all the money these sites make every day, I find it hard to believe they will go out of their way every once in a while to rig a hand in order to get 50 cents more rake.

cyberer · #3 12-11-2005, 03:45 AM

The rake is the same at the upper level games I'll agree, but the majority of people playing at pokerstars aren't playing at those limits. They are playing at the .05/.10, or the .50/1.00, the average Joe I'm talking about. And at these low levels there is a pretty substantial difference in the rake depending on how much is in the pot. I'm not saying it is definately happenning, but if you look at some of the horrific online beats that we've all seen, and then consider this, I'm saying it logically makes sense.

jman220 · #4 12-11-2005, 04:43 AM

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but if you look at some of the horrific online beats that we've all seen, and then consider this, I'm saying it logically makes sense.

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You're right. I've played hundreds of thousands of hands, and I've seen literally dozens of those "horrific" beats that you speak of, 989:1 (the worst beat possible in holdem) shots hitting. That should NEVER happen. What are the odds of a 989:1 shot hitting!?! It's like a billion to one!

#5 12-11-2005, 06:44 AM

What are the odds of a 989:1 shot hitting!?! It's like a billion to one!

The odds are 989:1.

UCF THAYER · #6 12-11-2005, 06:52 AM

This is a great 1st post.

#7 12-11-2005, 04:21 PM

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What are the odds of a 989:1 shot hitting!?! It's like a billion to one!

The odds are 989:1.

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Lee Jones article

jman220 · #8 12-11-2005, 08:40 PM

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What are the odds of a 989:1 shot hitting!?! It's like a billion to one!

The odds are 989:1.

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Lee Jones article

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How are people really this dumb. For god's sakes, my freaking location is "People Suck at Sarcasm."

Mempho · #9 12-12-2005, 03:32 PM

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What are the odds of a 989:1 shot hitting!?! It's like a billion to one!

The odds are 989:1.

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Nice article...thanks for the link.

Lee Jones article

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#10 12-12-2005, 03:30 PM

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You're right. I've played hundreds of thousands of hands, and I've seen literally dozens of those "horrific" beats that you speak of, 989:1 (the worst beat possible in holdem) shots hitting. That should NEVER happen. What are the odds of a 989:1 shot hitting!?! It's like a billion to one!

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That is probaly one of the funniest replies if read in a long while