KK preflop 55s

[gumpzilla]

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THAT WAS WHAT YOU INITIALLY SAID.

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Yes, that is what I initially said. I expanded upon it later. Is this a problem?

Do you really have lots of experience taking flops against 15 BB open raisers to make proclamations about what they will and won't do? I don't, and I'm speculating, but I'm happy to admit that. Also, how often have you seen somebody fold PF after open raising 15 BB and then getting pushed over the top?

[freemoney]

alot more then they will fold with an overpair, if they dont wanna see a flop and will fold an overpair then they wanna steal blinds?, you didnt expand you made 2 totally different points

[gumpzilla]

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alot more then they will fold with an overpair

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I don't really think that's true.

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if they dont wanna see a flop and will fold an overpair then they wanna steal blinds?

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Apparently that's exactly what they want, since it's impossible to do more than take what's already in the pot without seeing a flop.

[Moonsugar]

Reraising all in should be your default play here, get most money in while you have a chance and keeps image of your raises up if you showdown.

[Moonsugar]

Also, Russian and Swedish players make this play quite often with AA I have noticed.

[Blarg]

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Is this common? 15xBB raise early on?

Why would anyone make a raise this large?

Oh yeah, plz push.

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In the 11's, I see this fairly often right after someone gets beat. Next hand, they spike up a huge bet even to steal 25 or 45 chips in antes just to make themselves feel better and, um, show people they're still fearsome, or something.

[MegaBet]

I would "min" raise to 500 to get at least a call from UTG. I really really doubt he has aces (why would he bet so much?), therefore you have the best hand and want to milk it. Push the flop whatever comes up.

[Jay36489]

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I smooth call.
He raised that much because a) he doesn't want any action, so he'll fold to your push

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Thats what I was thinking.

[MegaBet]

Why wouldn't you raise PF? At least give the guy a chance to put in more chips. He may want to see what the flop brings (if he has KJ, K10, J10, etc). A smooth call is very dangerous I think. If he does have a medium pocket pair, he'll likely fold, and you don't want him catching a set on the flop.

[Jay36489]

Becuase my read is that he is a relatively solid $55s player. He's not raising that much on any of those hands (which are all clearly folds from UTG in lvl 1). You do take the danger of him hitting his set, but hes practically all in already, and he already doenst have the oddsyou want when playing for set value. The only thing is, if you smooth call and an a, k or Q does flop, you probably can't get that much out of him, and he gets away realatively cheaply, which is what happened anyway.