CR the flop?

CobraGoat · #1 11-10-2005, 12:38 PM

Full Tilt .25/.5

i call .5 from UTG with 88. i have $60

folds around to cutoff who raises to 1.25 (has $3 left). Button raises to 2.25 (has $55). sb and bb fold. i call.

Flop: Kd2d8s

I check,cutoff moves in for about $2 more. Button raises to $5.

I reraise to $17.

Bad play? should i have not played so fast? my only thought was that i had seen button playing with anything suited and betting on draws in position.

emil3000 · #2 11-10-2005, 12:40 PM

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Full Tilt .25/.5

i call .5 from UTG with 88. i have $60

folds around to cutoff who raises to 1.25 (has $3 left). Button raises to 2.25 (has $55). sb and bb fold. i call.

Flop: Kd2d8s

I check,cutoff moves in for about $2 more. Button raises to $5.

I reraise to $17.

Bad play? should i have not played so fast? my only thought was that i had seen button playing with anything suited and betting on draws in position.

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Lead/threebet it instead.

beavens · #3 11-10-2005, 12:40 PM

not a bad move if you knew that they were going to bet if you checked.

without reads i would have most likely made a 3/4 - PSB on the flop.

4_2_it · #4 11-10-2005, 12:45 PM

If you know one of the villains will bet the flop, then the c/r is fine. I prefer leading that flop and then 3-betting or pushing (stack-size dependent). I don't think you get much more out of this villain either way.

Your raise gives villain ~2-1 to call so he's only calling with AK which is what his raise indicated.

CobraGoat · #5 11-10-2005, 12:52 PM

am i leading out because im OOP with a potential 4 flush out there?

thanks for the advice.

also, i planned to CR because because this guy always Pot cbet after PF aggression.

emil3000 · #6 11-10-2005, 12:58 PM

If he often leads he is likely to raise you bet as well, then you get to threebet all in. You also have a shot of trapping the middleman, whereas when you checkraise you almost guaranteed fold him out.

And you don't risk giving a freecard in the unlikely case that he checks, but that's not important. Lead threebet get's more money in, simple as that.

EDIT: Stack size matter as well.

CobraGoat · #7 11-10-2005, 01:01 PM

am i still leading out if its a flop that likely missed everyone else? but he did reraise PF.

do you always fast play a set like this or is it more case dependent?

i understand getting more money in and giving middle man a chance to stay.

emil3000 · #8 11-10-2005, 01:04 PM

Yeah, when you flop a set against a reraiser, you hope they have AA and play it like they do, basically (except you go broke on an A high board [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). The flop is generally a good spot to get money in, but it depends on some variables I guess. When you're in position you have more options.

etgryphon · #9 11-10-2005, 01:05 PM

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am i still leading out if its a flop that likely missed everyone else? but he did reraise PF.

do you always fast play a set like this or is it more case dependent?

i understand getting more money in and giving middle man a chance to stay.

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But in this case the middle man is inconsequential because of his stack size.

I would have gone for the three-bet.

-Gryph

Skuzzy · #10 11-10-2005, 01:33 PM

The 2 flush makes the CR risky here and a CR defines your hand more than betting out. Others said if you knew that one of the other players would bet then a CR is OK. I would say unless you are certain to within a very small (1%) margin that one will bet then bet it yourself.

With a set on this board I think you want a diamond draw to play and even push. You have outs to a full if he hits and he has to hit to beat you. Theres no str8 draw and A2s A8s are unlikely epecially if you hold the 8 diamonds.

Having checked it and been bet at I think the raise is good.

I am weak - ignore my opinion. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]