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Old 12-14-2005, 10:21 AM
-Skeme- -Skeme- is offline
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Default 98s.

Villain:

{{Icon: TP preflop, but Agg postflop.
Hands: 949
VP$IP: 15
PFR: 6
Agg-Factor: 3.0
W$SD: 39
Won: ($416)}}

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

UTG ($241.80)
UTG+1 ($190)
MP1 ($309.10)
MP2 ($91.50)
Hero ($200)
CO ($466.85)
Button ($504.05)
SB ($200.75)
BB ($96.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($9) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $15.

Turn: ($49) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $20</font>, Hero ??
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:23 AM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Re: 98s.

Makes it 65...
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:23 AM
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Call and call river.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: 98s.

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Call and call river.

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I'm with this guy. I see monsters though.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:31 AM
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Alright, this whole naked statement thing has really got to stop. Do you really think you guys help me by telling me what you would do with absolutely no logic behind your statement? Assign some [censored] hands for Villain or something.. this has happened in the past 30 threads I've made and it's getting annoying.

Either I'm just being a nit, which I am definitely not, or this forum is being a bitch.

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Old 12-14-2005, 10:33 AM
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Man its like.. the standard on 2+2.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:34 AM
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Dude, chill. You'd also get better responses with reads on villain other than PT stats.

I can see call/call as being a nice conservative line to take with the benefit of you'll get to showdown and then you'll have a nice read to tell us about next time you play a hand against this guy. However, I'd probably raise with the intention of folding to a 3bet and reevaluating if he donks again on the river (checking behind if he doesn't). I think he has 86 here a ton of the time and will call a turn raise but not a river bet.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:35 AM
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But anyway yeah.. I say call and call river without reasoning because I've already explained why calling down here is superior to raising too many times.

Raising accomplishes absolutely nothing here.. what are your protecting your hand from?

A set?

no hold on a set has already made the house.. you want to keep the pot small, the only thing that calls a turn raise is a house or maybe the smaller straight, unlikely though.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: 98s.

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Dude, chill. You'd also get better responses with reads on villain other than PT stats.

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I'd also have better reads if there weren't 50,000 playing on Stars at any given time. Me lacking a better read is no excuse for naked advice, which is all too common. In fact, my read has nothing to do with anything in this argument dude.


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I think he has 86 here a ton of the time and will call a turn raise but not a river bet.

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VPIP of 15 over 950 hands has 86 UTG+1?


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Raising accomplishes absolutely nothing here.. what are your protecting your hand from?

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I wasn't thinking of raising. I was thinking of folding against this player and possibly calling.


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no hold on a set has already made the house.. you want to keep the pot small, the only thing that calls a turn raise is a house or maybe the smaller straight, unlikely though.

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Right, so what are we putting Villain on.


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I say call and call river without reasoning

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You don't even know what the river is. You don't even put Villain on a hand. You just blindly decide you will call down no matter what. I like your style.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:41 AM
Lady Dont Tekno Lady Dont Tekno is offline
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Turn bet is so weak and putting him on a hand is hard here. If he turned his boat would he really lead? Is he capable of limping A6s, 46s, or 86s? Those are the only hands I can really see you as being ahead of (possibly 44, 88, and 99 as well) .

I don't like a raise on the turn because if he does have just a lone 6 and decides to push, that's very hard to call. I'd call turn and see what happens on the river. If he makes it half pot or less on the river I'd consider raising.
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